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This guy is the son of one of the many very smart people I had the pleasure of working with in my career. He is a genius when it comes to lubrication science. Entertaining to watch too. Here's his take on Thick Vs. Thin.
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Wow the expert in a laboratory setting says "5/20 vs thick showed dramatic increase in wear". Wow who wants to call this lab guy a liar.
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Since my amg Mercedes says 5/40 oil this german manufactured engine must be very loose tolerances. So the performance version Mercedes is low tolerance assembled engine if you believe what has been posted on this thread. I Do not buy the theory.
 

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2 Coyote Mustangs:
One uses 5w20 - standard use
One uses 5w50 - Track-Pack
I'll just leave it right here....
 

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One uses 5w20 - standard use
One uses 5w50 - Track-Pack
I'll just leave it right here....
Pretty much.
Sums it up. No damage from considerably thicker oil.
 

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Pretty much.
Sums it up. No damage from considerably thicker oil.
But now you do need that 210 thermostat to overcome any power loss due to cool oil.
Just joking.
Very interesting and informative video. I will be pre-filling my filters from now on.
 

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With the hybrid having a variable speed electric water pump, not sure why it even needs a thermostat.

All I know is in mine; it behaves like there is no thermostat.

gradual warm up then steady cylinder head temperature. I do see jumps up in temperature right after the engine shuts off. I attribute this to no air flowing through the engine. (No heat dump out the tailpipe).

Those of you with EB using auto stop/start... do you see a jump up in temperature when the engine shuts off at a stoplight? Hybrids do.
 

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Wow the expert in a laboratory setting says "5/20 vs thick showed dramatic increase in wear". Wow who wants to call this lab guy a liar.
A well known at the time NASCAR engine builder explained it to me when I questioned why they wanted a lower temp range oil temperature gauge. The were running much tighter clearances with much thinner oil and making a few more horsepower as a result of the lessening in parasitic drag. He explained, "Its like getting a crowd through a door. The thicker crowd will make it through the wider door no sweat. You try to take that some crowd through a smaller doorway and somebody is going to feel the pain plus fewer can make it through. It's the same as lubricant molecules. Tighter clearances (like with modern engine bearings and especially VVT phazer orifices) require thinner oil."
That's why my 3.5 Ecoboost lived on 5W-30 for it's entire 120,000 miles without ever needing oil added during the 5000 mile oil change intervals. These engines are engineered for the specified lubricant grades!
 

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A well known at the time NASCAR engine builder explained it to me when I questioned why they wanted a lower temp range oil temperature gauge. The were running much tighter clearances with much thinner oil and making a few more horsepower as a result of the lessening in parasitic drag. He explained, "Its like getting a crowd through a door. The thicker crowd will make it through the wider door no sweat. You try to take that some crowd through a smaller doorway and somebody is going to feel the pain plus fewer can make it through. It's the same as lubricant molecules. Tighter clearances (like with modern engine bearings and especially VVT phazer orifices) require thinner oil."
That's why my 3.5 Ecoboost lived on 5W-30 for it's entire 120,000 miles without ever needing oil added during the 5000 mile oil change intervals. These engines are engineered for the specified lubricant grades!
Just so you know the same exact block and heads on your 3.5 were used on the gt. As far as tolerance go. And that runs off 5w50. In fact a lot of engine builder on the 3.5 have ran 5w50. Including myself. My last 15 3.5 was over 500whp and made it to 418k withou. using a drop on oil at 5 percent oil life left.
Can’t believe it lasted that long with my thicker oil running to the olm and using a airraid filter.
In fact it still ran great after it got rear ended and totaled.

To be fair I’ve had several 3.5’s go well past 300k in some very hard worked trucks. Running 5w30. Just a good tough engine
 

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Most of these engines never see the oil temp a race built 3.5 like in the GT or your 500 HP example will see. Even when the NASCAR guys went thinner, the used bigger coolers and tighter clearances, but the most they ever had to run was maybe 800 miles between practice, qualifying and the race. I ran 15w-40 in my 360 Mopar when I was drag racing but I also built the engine with doorways wide enough for the crowd to pass!

If it doesn't rattle, I won't tattle!
 

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Most of these engines never see the oil temp a race built 3.5 like in the GT or your 500 HP example will see. Even when the NASCAR guys went thinner, the used bigger coolers and tighter clearances, but the most they ever had to run was maybe 800 miles between practice, qualifying and the race. I ran 15w-40 in my 360 Mopar when I was drag racing but I also built the engine with doorways wide enough for the crowd to pass!

If it doesn't rattle, I won't tattle!
I understand that but the point was the tolerances are not different. So it won’t hurt anything.
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