Monster Adapt-X tuning review and development thread 2.0

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[Snox801]

Dang can’t believe he took the ball and went home!
Listen this wasn’t a hijacked thread. You posted about a tune you got. Everything was positive and good. You posted some things that were not completely accurate.

So you got some pushback.
Nothing I said was untrue. I posted facts about lms and Cobb. Let others decide on which works better without being untruthful. Then it would stay about that tune.
Monster claims to be the only ones doing it. Not true I believe even mpt does. Then you said they charge $1200 again no.

Doesn’t make what monster has a bad tune or not a great option. But people need complete pictures before they spend hard earned money.
We are all excite you got the tune and I love seeing your joy it brings.
Heck I even take your butt dyno into consideration. That’s all great.
Almost every thread about tuning goes like this. That’s how we all learn who to trust and who to steer away from. That’s all.

 

[Ben2023L]

Dang can’t believe he took the ball and went home!
Listen this wasn’t a hijacked thread. You posted about a tune you got. Everything was positive and good. You posted some things that were not completely accurate.

So you got some pushback.
Nothing I said was untrue. I posted facts about lms and Cobb. Let others decide on which works better without being untruthful. Then it would stay about that tune.
Monster claims to be the only ones doing it. Not true I believe even mpt does. Then you said they charge $1200 again no.

Doesn’t make what monster has a bad tune or not a great option. But people need complete pictures before they spend hard earned money.
We are all excite you got the tune and I love seeing your joy it brings.
Heck I even take your butt dyno into consideration. That’s all great.
Almost every thread about tuning goes like this. That’s how we all learn who to trust and who to steer away from. That’s all.

almost back up to .7 on knock octane learn… re: monster tune

 

[Snox801]

almost back up to .7 on knock octane learn… re: monster tune

So is that you sending in data logs or is that the adaptive part correcting itself?

 

[TORQUERULES]

Dang can’t believe he took the ball and went home!
Listen this wasn’t a hijacked thread. You posted about a tune you got. Everything was positive and good. You posted some things that were not completely accurate.

So you got some pushback.
Nothing I said was untrue. I posted facts about lms and Cobb. Let others decide on which works better without being untruthful. Then it would stay about that tune.
Monster claims to be the only ones doing it. Not true I believe even mpt does. Then you said they charge $1200 again no.

Doesn’t make what monster has a bad tune or not a great option. But people need complete pictures before they spend hard earned money.
We are all excite you got the tune and I love seeing your joy it brings.
Heck I even take your butt dyno into consideration. That’s all great.
Almost every thread about tuning goes like this. That’s how we all learn who to trust and who to steer away from. That’s all.

No, every tune thread does not go like this, and yes comparisons are good. Make a thread to compare tunes then. I stated clearly this was a review of this tuning option with feedback from someone, me, doing logs and getting revisions, etc. to tell you how the process is going. I am not in the mood to get into the typical internet pissing match over who's tune is best or which device is best. Getting too old for that.

You like LIvernois, I get it, that is great for you as they are a great company with a good history, but this is not the place to push their wares. Make a tread for that yourself, or as I mentioned above, make a comparison thread and people can chime in with their tuning option and we can all compare and contrast. That would be great.

Not the place for it here. Not sure why you cannot see that.

And the $1200 thing... If that is not the case, then good, because that is ridiculous, but Livernois needs to make that more clear, because that seems the case.

 

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Again, I will chime in one final time once we have everything complete and then you guys can choose for yourselves. So far all is great, very smooth, great power, and great drivability.

 

[Snox801]

No, every tune thread does not go like this, and yes comparisons are good. Make a thread to compare tunes then. I stated clearly this was a review of this tuning option with feedback from someone, me, doing logs and getting revisions, etc. to tell you how the process is going. I am not in the mood to get into the typical internet pissing match over who's tune is best or which device is best. Getting too old for that.

You like LIvernois, I get it, that is great for you as they are a great company with a good history, but this is not the place to push their wares. Make a tread for that yourself, or as I mentioned above, make a comparison thread and people can chime in with their tuning option and we can all compare and contrast. That would be great.

Not the place for it here. Not sure why you cannot see that.

And the $1200 thing... If that is not the case, then good, because that is ridiculous, but Livernois needs to make that more clear, because that seems the case.

Listen again this wasn’t meant to be a pissing match. But when someone asks a question or makes a statement that is false I simply corrected that.
Never once did I try and sell them on Livernois by comparing. Simply correcting the record so others on our forum don’t get dupped.
So let me get this straight. You wanna do a review for others to trust, then you don’t want anyone to correct that record?
so you are ok misleading people? Again not about the tune performance or anything. This is simply making sure that everyone gets accurate information to make the choice for themself before they spend hard earned money. At no point did I say anything comparing the actual performance of your turn verse another.
Funny part is you get mad at me for making very clear statements on a product then also upset that a company is not super clear on the website.
To be clear the website is fine you are simply messing up the terminology of multi tune and multi octane.
that is why these are important threads for future users. To make sure we are all understanding what we have. Adaptive x, and flex octane are not the same as multi tune. Those are all terms used by specific companies.

 

[Snox801]

Again, I will chime in one final time once we have everything complete and then you guys can choose for yourselves. So far all is great, very smooth, great power, and great drivability.

Please do.
Also since you have Cobb and other tunes. What I would love To know is how it compares to say another tune dedicated to 93 octane?
Say run a half tank of 93 tuned with the adaptive x tune. Then I believe you can use a virtual dyno on the Cobb to log the output.
Then flash the 93 only tune and run a half tank for it to learn and compare. That would be cool to see how well these can actually adapt for power not just drivability.
It would be as close to a dyno as we could hope

 

[Snox801]

Another question is. Have you asked him about towing with this tune?
I’ve been under the assumption that you would still need a tow version to of the adaptive Oct tune for any towing.

 

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I plan to do a virtual dyno comparison in the future, but it may just be for me (reasoning below). Seat of the pants, I am already very pleased with this tune. I was actually surprised I gave nothing up and maybe even gained. With all of the logging I am doing and revisions, I doubt there will be much difference between this and my other custom tunes power-wise (many logs and revisions with those too). It might be a little more, but only a real dyno or the drag strip would know. I feel that tuning on these Ecoboosts is pretty well sorted nowadays so that any good tuner with decent logs can get pretty close to max power for any given combination. There at most may be 5-10whp between any good full custom tune from a good tuner worth a darn on these honestly (and without any click bait dyno tricks). Now OTS tunes will always be lower because they play it extra safe because they have to work with a wide variety of usage (and users maybe getting some subpar gasoline occasionally), modifications, and the simple manufacturing differences between each vehicle and engine.

Someday I may compare them all at the strip. Maybe.

I will say this, the smoothness of these tunes in daily driving and WOT has impressed me. Was not expecting that, although all I have read told me to. Not bashing other tuners, but this is my biggest take away so far.

With the Monster tunes my goals were for no loss in power, and gains if possible, great drivability that seems stock if stock was turned up to 10, and the cushion of adaptability to octane if I get some bad fuel from a subpar gas station. I have achieved those goals I believe.

As for towing, I did not ask, but I only plan on ever towing a small utility trailer with small loads if I ever need and only to the local hardware store. I am not worried about it.

 

[Snox801]

I plan to do a virtual dyno comparison in the future, but it may just be for me (reasoning below). Seat of the pants, I am already very pleased with this tune. I was actually surprised I gave nothing up and maybe even gained. With all of the logging I am doing and revisions, I doubt there will be much difference between this and my other custom tunes power-wise (many logs and revisions with those too). It might be a little more, but only a real dyno or the drag strip would know. I feel that tuning on these Ecoboosts is pretty well sorted nowadays so that any good tuner with decent logs can get pretty close to max power for any given combination. There at most may be 5-10whp between any good full custom tune from a good tuner worth a darn on these honestly (and without any click bait dyno tricks). Now OTS tunes will always be lower because they play it extra safe because they have to work with a wide variety of usage (and users maybe getting some subpar gasoline occasionally), modifications, and the simple manufacturing differences between each vehicle and engine.

Someday I may compare them all at the strip. Maybe.

I will say this, the smoothness of these tunes in daily driving and WOT has impressed me. Was not expecting that, although all I have read told me to. Not bashing other tuners, but this is my biggest take away so far.

With the Monster tunes my goals were for no loss in power, and gains if possible, great drivability that seems stock if stock was turned up to 10, and the cushion of adaptability to octane if I get some bad fuel from a subpar gas station. I have achieved those goals I believe.

As for towing, I did not ask, but I only plan on ever towing a small utility trailer with small loads if I ever need and only to the local hardware store. I am not worried about it.

That’s a great way to look at it. To many people get hung up on peak power which isn’t the story. As for tuners you are correct most will be very close hp wise if they are not changing knock tables or over doing it. That’s why these threads are important. I can say a solid 30 percent in the ecoboost world overcook the tune and give up reliability.
I actually line up almost exactly with you on the flex octane tune. I like my e30 tune but I also like the fact that I can pump and go bad fuel or not. These tunes alone should be a huge reason to choose these tuners over others that don’t offer it.
I think these tunes will be so close in power that the driver will be a bigger difference in the 1/4 but would be cool to know.
If I can make a track day next spring I may try my flex octane vs my 93 to see if any difference.
I may upgrade to the multi tune because it enables launch control. These mavericks run good but come off the line slow. That should fix it. But it’s another $600 and this truck was supposed to save me money. lol never seems to happen though

 

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Awd really makes these little things sleepers on the street.

 

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Still finalizing things. The tuner is being meticulous which is a good thing. Working with multiple customers to get things just right. I will report back when I get everything finalized.

So far, so good.

 

[Ben2023L]

I second this... And will write a separate review with some data logs and photos when I get a chance to upload. But, here’s been my experience so far:

I’ve been running the Adaptive X tune from Monster Tune on my 2023 Maverick 2.0L for a couple weeks now and figured I’d share some real-world notes. Coming off Cobb OTS maps, the difference is night and day—those felt locked into a static timing table and would pull hard any time I grabbed a questionable tank of 93, but Adaptive X just keeps learning. It uses the stock ECU’s knock-based octane scaling, so boost and ignition creep up or back off on their own depending on what the engine’s actually seeing; I watched it hold 22 psi steady on a half-tank that normally would’ve had me down 3-4° on the Cobb OTS. Throttle tip-in is way crisper too—part-throttle around town feels like a factory sport mode with zero lag. Monster’s tuner has been great; I sent logs after the first flash and we already smoothed Maverick-specific quirks. Add: fuel economy’s basically unchanged (improved actually) on my 70/30 commute, but the truck just pulls harder everywhere—definitely a smart tune. I hope others try it out!

 

[Solaryellow]

Just don’t let the tune company name your tune “Ultra_Aggressive_Revlimit_Unlock”

You have a segment of owners out there who have tunnel vision for nothing but hp/trq numbers while ignoring safety, drivability and the rest of the important things. Unfortunately, they don't learn until something goes south really fast. Hell, even then they might not learn. There are at least one or two out there for the F150 that I'd avoid like a case of mursa.

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