Let's talk WDH for a moment

[Mavster Mechanic]

I am circling back around in consideration of WDH, because of a weird-ish trailer I am considering. Weird-ish because it's a long bugger with lots of moment arm, and also when empty has a low tongue weight, like 250lb... which isn't quite 10%... Now we might say fine, just load it front heavy, but as far as can determine, the fresh tank is ahead of the axle and the black tank is behind...

This means that "dry" camping will tend to shift 200lb from in front to behind. Also a consideration is that peak season camping, I've seen it a few times that when everyone tries to dump and leave on a Sunday or holiday Monday, the site has the black dump back up, needing pumping, or mayhap they added more sites than they had leach field for or something. So you might have arrived with finely balanced weighting, but now you gotta leave 200lb out.

So pondering if WDH do anything for "strapping the weight down" when tongue is getting lighter than intended. They are supposed in the main to help with sway, which is your big concern with low tongue weight.

Only considering this problem because the trailer has a really nice layout for me, and is cheapish. Also because a lot of trailers have different problems, like dry weight is damn close to 400lb on the tongue and there's not seeming to be much room in the back to stash stuff. Or they only have a few hundred pounds CCC, like 300-500. Was one that seemed great, 2700lb, but then it had 3000lb axles, where the hell do you get those even? So if it's not one thing it's another.

So really, just pondering if WDH might be good to involve on this prospective unit, as easier solution than solving other problem matchups.

Though I just had an interesting thought, if stuck hauling black, maybe take spare off back of trailer, and off mav, and ratchet strap by them in a "trailer tongue sandwich" to the tongue of the trailer. Though a bit of a pain in the ass.

I'd think adding extra tongue weight would be a piece of cake. Would love to see a photo of this "weird" trailer.

It's probably not that unusual.

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[Escapologist]

It's a case of not permanently or inconveniently adding it because of still only having about 100lb range to play with.

It's weird in the sense of "they don't make them like that any more" older one built when lightweight meant actually light not some marketing term to gaslight you into buying a half ton barely towable in the same size. So it's a 25ft total ~23ft coach trailer that's narrower than 8ft and compares favorably against 3300lb "minivan towable" 17ft fat and tall bricks, due to 3094lb dry weight. The layout is rear bunk and bath, mid dinette, front queen, similar to some 19fts that have appeared in the last 5 years, but those tend to fetch $15,000 still around here, though those frequently only have 3500 axles on, so depending on options CCC might be low. The RV blogs are talking about wholesale prices dropping off the covid cliff, but it hasn't spread yet.

I don't want something I've got to dick around with insurance and warrantys on, pay cash, screw it up how I like and not lay awake at night worrying if it gets stolen.

Anyway, seems to have heavy stuff over the axle already, stove, fridge, grey tank, and only leave you the walkway to pile stuff in, so everything else going more towards the ends, which is easy to figure out at home, but in circumstances that might arise as stated, not so easy to do from an uneven site or wherever.

On another vehicle, even my old minivan with a 600lb tongue rated hitch, it would be easy, just put 600lb on the hitch on the way out and still have an adequate 400lb on the hitch when tank weight shifted. Same shift is untenable with 400lb max and sub 300 getting squirrelly.

 

[Johnkn]

I am circling back around in consideration of WDH, because of a weird-ish trailer I am considering. Weird-ish because it's a long bugger with lots of moment arm, and also when empty has a low tongue weight, like 250lb... which isn't quite 10%... Now we might say fine, just load it front heavy, but as far as can determine, the fresh tank is ahead of the axle and the black tank is behind...

This means that "dry" camping will tend to shift 200lb from in front to behind. Also a consideration is that peak season camping, I've seen it a few times that when everyone tries to dump and leave on a Sunday or holiday Monday, the site has the black dump back up, needing pumping, or mayhap they added more sites than they had leach field for or something. So you might have arrived with finely balanced weighting, but now you gotta leave 200lb out.

So pondering if WDH do anything for "strapping the weight down" when tongue is getting lighter than intended. They are supposed in the main to help with sway, which is your big concern with low tongue weight.

Only considering this problem because the trailer has a really nice layout for me, and is cheapish. Also because a lot of trailers have different problems, like dry weight is damn close to 400lb on the tongue and there's not seeming to be much room in the back to stash stuff. Or they only have a few hundred pounds CCC, like 300-500. Was one that seemed great, 2700lb, but then it had 3000lb axles, where the hell do you get those even? So if it's not one thing it's another.

So really, just pondering if WDH might be good to involve on this prospective unit, as easier solution than solving other problem matchups.

Though I just had an interesting thought, if stuck hauling black, maybe take spare off back of trailer, and off mav, and ratchet strap them in a "trailer tongue sandwich" to the tongue of the trailer. Though a bit of a pain in the ass.

It's not clear whether there's a question above...

Some weight distribution hitches help control trailer sway because (in addition to transferring load to the tow vehicles front axle/tires) they have an additional or optional sway control feature which is generally some type of adjustable friction bar mounted to a 2nd small ball or pivot.

If your trailer attains a rear weight bias over time and unloads the ball too much, just move some weight forward.

Good luck...


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[Escapologist]

Turned out to be academic, that trailer is gone, thought it would take longer to sell and get a price drop, leading pic was of interior and had the mattresses all tossed everywhere.

Stalking a KZ now from the year they fixed their weakass axles and 2 years before they were borged by Thor into the same crap different decal builds.

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