Is it Fatalism or do some here think their Mav will Never be Built?

[Mike]

So I’ve read lots of “if my Mav even gets built’” type stuff.

is their speculation that some orders will never get built ? This makes no sense. Ford will build orders when they can or am I missing something.

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[TooManyVehicles]

The probability that they run out of runway on MY 22 is climbing with every “chip“ shortage, spray in, hitch, and so on delay.

if I were forced to bet I would guess that most but not all of the existing orders will get fulfilled.

i think mine will as I have a scheduled build date (which has changed a number of times). But if I were sitting with a last minute hybrid order (close to the cutoff) or last minute EB order, I would be a lot less confident on the ability of Ford to produce it before having to cutover to the 23 model year.

 

[Mike]

The date for MY23 is not set in stone. Would they not push it back. That would make sense.

 

[TooManyVehicles]

The date for MY23 is not set in stone. Would they not push it back. That would make sense.

While they could move it back to the end of 2022, why would they? Instead, do model year 23 with higher prices and or “cost savings” (e.g.dropping items from packages) and let undone orders be reordered as a 23.

 

[Mike]

While they could move it back to the end of 2022, why would they? Instead, do model year 23 with higher prices and or “cost savings” (e.g.dropping items from packages) and let undone orders be reordered as a 23.

brcause they’ll piss off loyal ford customers who put in orders in good faith would be one reason

 

[Hawk]

brcause they’ll piss off loyal ford customers who put in orders in good faith would be one reason

They already have pissed off a lot of them. But you are right, this would be the last straw for many.

 

[shocontinental]

brcause they’ll piss off loyal ford customers who put in orders in good faith would be one reason

I ordered my hybrid right before the hybrid order cutoff date. If I’m already taking delivery in late 2022 I’d rather it be a 2023 model with whatever little upgrades and changes they have.

 

[James D]

So I’ve read lots of “if my Mav even gets built’” type stuff.

is their speculation that some orders will never get built ? This makes no sense. Ford will build orders when they can or am I missing something.

There are orders from June that are not built yet even though others who ordered in Sept Oct are already driving their Mav.

A dealer, including Tim at LM, should be honest about everything that affects your place in line and disclose that your build depends greatly on how many orders they have vs allocations. LM now has over 500 orders and their line is still 300-400 long. Now the chip shortage is getting worse. People who should have been already driving their Mavs if they ordered from their local dealer like I did, now have to decide to drop lux or the safety features of 360 to get built. Compromising my family's safety for blind spot and tech we are now used to is not an option. Injury attorneys could come after LM if they did not properly disclose the allocation process, and then got into a bad wreck after dropping 360 in order to get built.

Anyone who is still on permanent wait status should have been advised by their dealer that their line is too long and they should order from someone else. But they are salesmen who may not want to disclose something that will make them lose a sale.

Ford should build based on date of order, no matter which dealer you use. Their attempt to be fair to dealers with allocations, is very unfair to buyers when others are able to cut the line in front of them.

 

[TooManyVehicles]

brcause they’ll piss off loyal ford customers who put in orders in good faith would be one reason

Hey, I'm just giving an opinion, somewhat based on what already took place during the Bronco ordering process. Ford might do something to price protect or otherwise incent orders they can't produce in MY 22 to rollover to 23, or they might not. Who really knows at this point?

While I don't know where I read this, I did read that Ford can't produce vehicles in 2023 and call them 2022 model year vehicles. (Again, big disclaimer as this is just something I think I remembered.) But if true, we know there is a calendar date cutoff regardless of how much Ford wants to extend the model year, namely 12/31/22.

One of my many issues with the process is that there are things that possibly could have been done to move things along. For instance, when hybrid production was held up the first time, Ford might have offered some incentive to confirmed, already existing hybrid orders to convert to EB. While not all would have converted, some would helping to alleviate the hybrid/eb imbalance. Similarly, when the SIBL shortage came about, if Ford had offered a reasonable credit along with removing that from the Lux builds, some would have gone for it (e.g. me) to get the vehicle sooner (as it is easy to do SIBL after market). There are other examples of this, which in total might have made a decent difference in terms of Ford's ability to move these things along.

 

[TacoHolder]

Some people are just impatient and want attention. Part of the human condition, I guess.

 

[James D]

Some people are just impatient and want attention. Part of the human condition, I guess.

It is not really about being patient. It's about not disclosing Ford's allocation system that lets people cut the line in front of you.

 

[TacoHolder]

It is not really about being patient. It's about not disclosing Ford's allocation system that lets people cut the line in front of you.

The one clear thing about the allocation system is that there isn't a single line. They didn't cut in front. Rather they queued up in a shorter line to get to the same place.

 

[James D]

The one clear thing about the allocation system is that there isn't a single line. They didn't cut in front. Rather they queued up in a shorter line to get to the same place.

You are right, but changing builds to date of order instead of hoping you are in a shorter allocation line would be the right thing for Ford to do for their buyers, many of which will be former loyal customers after this mess clears.

 

[TacoHolder]

You are right, but changing builds to date of order instead of hoping you are in a shorter allocation line would be the right thing for Ford to do for their buyers, many of which will be former loyal customers after this mess clears.

This whole allocation system only serves to keep dealers happy anyway. Retail orders should be direct to customers. Tesla is really onto something in this regard. The best dealerships make sales painless and do a good job selling you on parts and service.

 

[Maverstang]

I remain cautiously optimistic on 22MY deliveries…

The Hermosillo plant (C2 vehicles Mav/BS) was not one of the ones shut down for shortages, and it continues to operate at near capacity.

Every variation is being built, although there appears to be a production mix bias toward EB over hybrid at the moment, ostensibly due to module (semiconductor) shortages. If that is true, it is still possible they can pick that later this year if the components become available. We don’t know for sure at this point, so no reason to panic yet.

The SIBL thing is simply a botched forecast. Way more orders for it than capacity, which is why it was removed from the option package. The SIBL backlog will likely clear up in a few months.

If you have an order confirmed by Ford (with ROVP/COVP) I still believe you will get it in 22MY, with some corner case exceptions near the end of production. But there will be a number of people who won’t get one because their dealer botched the order (no ROVP) or played games by not submitting it as a customer retail order.

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