For those of you without hybrid experience

[Bill Cather]

Okay, yes. Hybrids get "slightly better" mileage in town, than on the freeway. But I just really want to stress something here > The only reason this gets so much attention, is that every ICE vehicle produced over the last 100 years, got better mileage on the freeway. So this makes it a big deal. However, the fact of the matter is, the difference between city driving and freeway driving with a hybrid, is much less than the difference between city and freeway driving in an ICE vehicle.

I've just heard too many people acting as if the 40 mpg figure for the hybrid Maverick is "only" going to be on the freeway, and as if it will probably get barely 30mpg's in town. Well if it turns out to be anything like my Prius, it will get 42 in town, and 39 on the freeway, for a combined total of 41.

I mentioned this in another post, I think a lot of the skepticism on mileage estimates, comes from several years back, when manufacturers were pulling all kinds of garbage (lying) about there mileage, but that resulted in some fat lawsuits, of which Ford took the hardest hit ! Now, if they say a vehicle will get X mpg, it will likely get X mileage mpg, + maybe a little more, if your driving it, keeping mileage in mind.

IF the Hybrid Maverick doesn't get 40 mpg "combined" then they need to talk with Toyota. But I'm kind of thinking it will get very close to 40 mpg, for most, and better for some.

Absolutely correct..... I have a 2015 Prius and getting 40-42 w 140K on the OD. Wouldn't have thought of switching until THIS Hybrid truck. I've been looking for a "Home Depot" truck used but not expensive for the last few years.... But this thing is perfect

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[vap0rtranz]

Also, I am sorry that my post came across as harsh and thank you for telling me so. I didn't intend it that way.

I meant Fish Chris' original posting, not yours. All good.

 

[fbov]

if I were to pump premium into the Hybrid, then I still come out spending LESS than the EcoBoost on regular.

In the FWIW column, I'm spending $0.071/mile on fuel, exclusively using the most expensive fuel available, mostly E0 but a couple 93E10s.

What's your fuel cost? I see mine rising.

 

[Fish Chris]

I meant Fish Chris' original posting, not yours. All good.

Honestly, I'm not sure what I said, that you took as harsh ? I mean, I can be a smartass when I want to be, but even going back over my OP, I'm still not sure what part of it was harsh ? I mean, I'm not real concerned either lol ....just curious ?

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

If you watch and think about how people are driving, a lot of people gun the gas when the light turns green and slam the breaks when they get to a red light. If you accelerate more evenly and break slow and steady you will get a lot more mpg out of a hybrid than if you drive by slamming the gas then slamming the break. The smooth and steady breaking is important for charging the batteries. You'll get there about the same time but you won't waste as much gas.

If you know which lights are timed/sequenced for traffic flow you can also cost knowing the light should change as you approach it if you are in the traffic packet. I do this frequently just to avoid breaking so much, but Do accelerate relatively hard at the first stop light to try and get inside that logical packet space so it is the only light I hit. This only really works if you know the traffic packet/priority system is running and what it set for though.

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

Lest ye forget (from Ford literature):
" Targets achieved with premium fuel per SAE J1349 standard."
I think I also read in the Owners Manual that while not required, premium fuel results in highest MPGs. Should be interesting when real world reporting begins arriving, but I fully expect the difference in $$$ 'twixt regular and premium fuel won't be justified by the difference in mileage.

It all depends on the price per gallon difference. Keep a log and use tools like fuel buddy/grocery store points if you really want to maximize things.

I have friends and contractors who buy Home Depot/Lowe’s gift cards at kroger to get 4x fuel points and almost always buy gas at 1$ off because they know they are going to be spending that money on supplies. Combine that with awareness of fuel additives and how different brands affect your performance and you could find for you it is a huge improvement, or just a waste of time.

I like data analysis anyways so…

 

[Fish Chris]

If you know which lights are timed/sequenced for traffic flow you can also cost knowing the light should change as you approach it if you are in the traffic packet. I do this frequently just to avoid breaking so much, but Do accelerate relatively hard at the first stop light to try and get inside that logical packet space so it is the only light I hit. This only really works if you know the traffic packet/priority system is running and what it set for though.

Speaking of which and I might be the only person on the planet who believes this... But honestly, I think their is a conspiracy to make us burn more gas (for more tax revenues). As it would be too freaking easy to have "smart lights" which would make sure your light was green, as long as nobody was coming the other way, and also, to turn yellow / red, just split second nobody was coming. Nothing aggravates me more, than to sit at a red light, for minutes, when I can clearly see no cars are coming the other way ! Just a waste of time and gas, and no good reason for it.

 

[kingranchero]

Speaking of which and I might be the only person on the planet who believes this... But honestly, I think their is a conspiracy to make us burn more gas (for more tax revenues). As it would be too freaking easy to have "smart lights" which would make sure your light was green, as long as nobody was coming the other way, and also, to turn yellow / red, just split second nobody was coming. Nothing aggravates me more, than to sit at a red light, for minutes, when I can clearly see no cars are coming the other way ! Just a waste of time and gas, and no good reason for it.

Hanlon's Razor - don't attribute to malice what can be adequately attributed to stupidity (on the part of City Planning). Might be worth complaining to someone at city hall, maybe they can fix it!

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

Hanlon's Razor - don't attribute to malice what can be adequately attributed to stupidity (on the part of City Planning). Might be worth complaining to someone at city hall, maybe they can fix it!

Interesting note Hanlon’s Razor is likely Heinlein’s Razor derived from Lazarus Long quotes.

yes I am that kind of geek.

 

[vap0rtranz]

Might be worth complaining to someone at city hall, maybe they can fix it!

Already fixed! Roundabouts!!

Move to Wisconsin. Or Europe. Whichever.

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

Round about are just common enough in Atlanta that people don’t drive out of the way to use them for novelty. (Finally)

next make way for the zebra crossing

 

[Fish Chris]

Hanlon's Razor - don't attribute to malice what can be adequately attributed to stupidity (on the part of City Planning). Might be worth complaining to someone at city hall, maybe they can fix it!

Well, the thing is, smart lights already exist. They were actually used in my home town 15 or 20 years ago..... but for whatever reason, they didn't catch on. It was pretty cool as they were red in every direction, but would always turn green (so long as nobody was coming the other direction) before you got to them, at regular driving speed.

Round about are just common enough in Atlanta that people don’t drive out of the way to use them for novelty. (Finally)

next make way for the zebra crossing

Roundabouts are great My GF hates them. But then she drives about 6K miles per year, because she has too. I drive about 60K miles per year, because I want to

 

[aberdeenmeadows]

Okay, yes. Hybrids get "slightly better" mileage in town, than on the freeway. But I just really want to stress something here > The only reason this gets so much attention, is that every ICE vehicle produced over the last 100 years, got better mileage on the freeway. So this makes it a big deal. However, the fact of the matter is, the difference between city driving and freeway driving with a hybrid, is much less than the difference between city and freeway driving in an ICE vehicle.

I've just heard too many people acting as if the 40 mpg figure for the hybrid Maverick is "only" going to be on the freeway, and as if it will probably get barely 30mpg's in town. Well if it turns out to be anything like my Prius, it will get 42 in town, and 39 on the freeway, for a combined total of 41.

I mentioned this in another post, I think a lot of the skepticism on mileage estimates, comes from several years back, when manufacturers were pulling all kinds of garbage (lying) about there mileage, but that resulted in some fat lawsuits, of which Ford took the hardest hit ! Now, if they say a vehicle will get X mpg, it will likely get X mileage mpg, + maybe a little more, if your driving it, keeping mileage in mind.

IF the Hybrid Maverick doesn't get 40 mpg "combined" then they need to talk with Toyota. But I'm kind of thinking it will get very close to 40 mpg, for most, and better for some.

Thanks for helping to explain this with great clarity. You are so right on the EPA ratings. For decades, I had never been able to get to the ratings even driving at 55.

That being said, in the past few years all of my vehicles have exceeded the expected EPA when driving normally. It has been a blessing and those times that I didn't hit the EPA, it's only because I was gunning it or driving it hard.

One thing I noticed with the Ford Fiesta (2016)... when driving up to 70mph, I exceeded the EPA but after that, didn't meet it.

With my Mazda 6 (2017-1/2) and my Fiat Spider 124 (2018) - if I do 60mph or less, I always exceeded the EPA ratings. I go over that, and my averages begin to drop.

City driving with the Ford Maverick should provide decent ratings because of the stop/start functionality. The biggest losers to mpg in city driving is drive-throughs and long stop lights or needlessly keeping the motor running while in a parking lot, waiting for someone.

My only gripe is that the hybrid numbers aren't certified yet and Ford is very happy to promote those numbers but they refuse to let go of the targeted mpg for the non-hybrid trucks. We do know that the fuel tank has increased and we *feel* that Ford is benevolent enough to want us to have a 500 mile range. There was a screen shot of 26.6 mpg average. I have a *feeling* that the 16.9 won't get us the 500 mile range... that most likely will be between 430 - 470.

We will all know very soon! I chose the non-hybrid.

 

[kingranchero]

Already fixed! Roundabouts!!

Move to Wisconsin. Or Europe. Whichever.

Preaching to the choir, bub

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