EcoBoost Maverick, really ?

[PapaDave]

King County here, I went with AWD simply because our other vehicle is a FWD and the thought of not being able to get anywhere, even with winter tires made me pass on the hybrid. If we had another AWD or 4x4 vehicle, I’d have gone hybrid purely for the gas mileage because it’s not getting any cheaper. If you want to get anywhere in the winter after snowfall or ice in the PNW, I’m of the camp that good winter tires or 3 peaks and AWD/4x4 is necessary for going more than a couple miles. We have too many hills and our infrastructure can’t handle more than an inch of snow. I travel out to Lake Stevens, Darrington, etc enough that the peace of mind of AWD was worth the extra cost. But I’d love 40mpgs! It was a tough decision for me.

Ok, just sent an email earlier to my dealer rep for Maverick orders. Changed from FWD to AWD with FX4 (love the wheels). Since I only drive ~7,000 miles a year the difference in gas $$ won't be too significant.
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[06Warrior]

If the Maverick only came with the Hybrid I would still get it but since the Ecoboost offers more capability I went with the more capable option. I’m just glad the compact truck is back no matter the driveline.

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

Volvo's Frasher says the force acting against a car by the air it moves is a function of: Cd x Frontal Area x Density of Air x Speed SquaredSpeed clearly is an important part of the equation. At stop and-go speeds, drag isn't a big deal, but the faster you go, the more it matters. At 70 mph, you've got four times the force working against your vehicle that you have at 35 mph."​

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As I stated the Reynolds number (which s a differential equation showing the change in drag as fluid flow changes) x Velocity^2 the Reynolds number takes into account density of the fluid, cross-sectional area, etc but it varies based on relative fluid speed. There are also curves affecting power output vs engine RPM, transmission efficiency, rolling resistance of tires, overall drive train effects, regenerative braking, battery storage efficiency, I can go on, but since others have declared this a conversation of liars, damn liars, and statistics there is no real point. Everyone has different needs and driving habits. In hilly terrain, hybrids have a definite mpg advantage because of using gravity potential to convert momentum to battery, at least until the regenerative system is at capacity. The catch is you must be able to develop enough power to move at speed in that terrain, with your load.

But, having spent years studying and even teaching fluid dynamics, I am biased. Heck, I don't consider water to be at high pressure until it exceeds 20k psi. We worked from 20k to 200k and I can tell you water is compressible and laminar flow changes quite a bit.

long and short of it: personal choice. All of the stories we tell are anecdotal.

Like I tell my shooters, the best gun s the one you have when you need it. The best truck is the one that exceeds, even by 0.01% your maximum need for it, whatever that may be. Hybrids have special needs, more expensive tires (the Kelly Springfield Safari's on my 1978 454 GMC with a th400 tranny is perfect for what I used it for on my family farm, but it got 11mpg no matter what I did, pull stumps or drive to ATL towing 12 tonnes, or moving tractor-trailers with a 5th wheel.) My choice of an XLT hybrid is based on my experience driving an HCH2 for the past 12 years, but needing to now carry my wheelchair, and still have enough storage capacity to run a CERT operation until relived. I can guarantee you that no one else has my needs, so it's a personal choice. My HCH2 lost its primary battery around 110k miles it still gets 34MPG on average. I could get better mileage with a new battery, but at 2,500 gas would need to be about 12$ a gallon to justify it.

/end rant

 

[eRock92]

If you omit misconceptions, misinformation, and just shitting on what other people like for their respective reasons then you missed nothing

Ahhh! We're slowly turning into Bronco6G, I see.

 

[H0pelessOpus]

Ahhh! We're slowly turning into Bronco6G, I see.

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[slashy42]

but you still don't get the 4k towing or AWD with Hybrid- which tilts the scales back the other way. Gas savings are so miniscule as to be irrelevant in this purchase equation. I think overall hybrid ownership is more about virtue signaling (hey! look at me- I'm saving the planet!) than a well thought out purchase based on how many of your needs AND wants are satisfied in the vehicle you are purchasing.

It's funny, by claiming someone is virtue signaling, you are, in fact, virtue signaling.

I was originally interested in the maverick because of the hybrid, and that was my initial order. The gas savings for me, with 40 miles a day plus a few hundred on weekends, would make a significant portion of the vehicle's payment compared to 4.6l 08 F-150. Then my use case changed, and within the year we will be moving to a very different climate with more mountainous terrain, so we made the decision to upgrade to the 2.0 with AWD because we wanted to have at least one vehicle that was a bit more capable.

That said we are taking on a higher cost of ownership with that trade. We will need more frequent oil changes, brake changes, and the transmission is more complicated. Also the 2.0 has a greater chance of having some significant engine problems due to the integrated manifold. We added the 4k tow package and FX4 in hopes to increase the longevity of the powertrain due to the increased engine and transmission cooling, but it still wont last as long as the hybrid will, I suspect. The added functionality was nice, too.

So, to add some winter and terrain capability we added thousands of dollars to our Maverick order, and are probably sacrificing some longevity and increasing our cost of ownership. It was a conscious decision, but one we were comfortable with to have the flexibility we wanted. That said, I wouldn't say anyone choosing the hybrid is making a political statement. They are probably making a very smart and conservative finical decision for themselves. Just as my family made a decision to have more flexibility with an AWD vehicle. To each their own, and lets not saddle people with political motives when there are clearly some very good reasons to pick either powertrain.

Edit: cleaned up a duplicate phrase.

 

[jcsan18]

I thought about getting the hybrid. I owned a Fusion hybrid and it was great. I had no complaints. I just want the EB and the AWD more for the fun driving aspects than I want the gas savings. If I wanted to really shop for a gas saver, I would have picked the hybrid or a different car altogether.

Let’s all enjoy the Maverick group. Who cares who ordered what? They’re all awesome and great choices!

 

[TrkNv]

My take away is that I’m glad I don’t give AF about other opinions. Drive what ya Like or more accurately what ya can afford closest to what ya like…

 

[vap0rtranz]

I was originally interested in the maverick because of the hybrid, and that was my initial order ...

That is one of the most honest explanations I've read on the InterWebs in a long time. Ty!

 

[hcforde]

Just mpo, but 26mpg is cr@p. Oh sure, it's okay compared other trucks.... But trucks just get terrible mileage. I hear that for my F150 to get 18-19 mpg's is really good... But it doesn't feel that way when I'm putting $100 in it, to fill it. My old Toyota Tacoma used to get about 22... That was lousy too.

Great mileage is 53 mpg, like in my Prius. I'm okay with 40 mpg in a little truck though.

MPG as a target only goal depends on purpose doesn't it? Most likely centered around the daily driver scenario. It would seem though that trucks are more multi-purpose. The EcoBoost engine gives you a greater range of options imo.

 

[eRock92]

Shoot, everyone arguin... I mean, discussing why they are or aren't getting the hybrid or ecoboost. I'm sitting here just waiting for my current vehicle payment to be low enough to justify a trade in for a new vehicle. I'll probably be married before then, so it is what it is. Darn 2014 Focus tramission crapping out at 141k miles.

 

[TruckGuySC]

Just mpo, but 26mpg is cr@p. Oh sure, it's okay compared other trucks.... But trucks just get terrible mileage. I hear that for my F150 to get 18-19 mpg's is really good... But it doesn't feel that way when I'm putting $100 in it, to fill it. My old Toyota Tacoma used to get about 22... That was lousy too.

Great mileage is 53 mpg, like in my Prius. I'm okay with 40 mpg in a little truck though.

 

[TruckGuySC]

The point was, the prius can't do any of that stuff but the mav can.

And you won’t look emasculated driving a Mav…

Meanwhile, the Prius I can’t say the same!

 

[PapaNer]

And you won’t look emasculated driving a Mav…

Meanwhile, the Prius I can’t say the same!

I don't know, I think if someone were making a lot of assumptions about someone just because of what they drove, I'd think less of the person bothered by other peoples stuff, honestly.

 

[vap0rtranz]

The Prius hate reminds me of the old Simpson's scene when Homer catches up to Flander's Geo.

Flander's wife: "Come on Ned, move this thing!"
Flanders: "I can't! It's a Geo!"


My brother-in-law drove a Geo and an F250. The Geo was for daily commutes. Smart man!

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