Construction Workers Needed

[Mendicant]

I am operating under the assumption that my 2022 Maverick (ordered October 21) will not be built. I am at peace with this.

I am also operating under the assumption that Ford will not be able to complete my replacement orders for 2023 and 2024 either, because Ford will still be short microchips.

What I really need is my 2025 Maverick. However, Intel's semiconductor plant is having some construction problems.

https://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-...l-factories-amid-historic-labor-shortage.html

If anyone is in the construction industry, please report to Johnstown, Ohio. We need our microchips!

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[iwantmymav]

How about you go sign up to work?

 

[PlantMan]

How about you go sign up to work?

If you were a member of the Laborers’ International Union of North America, you'd know.

 

[iwantmymav]

If you were a member of the Laborers’ International Union of North America, you'd know.

Could care less.

 

[HalfFast]

I am a construction worker about a half hour from where this chip plant is being built. I would like to go work there because it is close to home.

They are paying very well from what I am hearing but there is a problem.

Who wants to go work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week with no end in sight? I have done it several times during the end of a project to meet deadlines, but to me, being able to enjoy life, family and friends is more important than working 80+ hours a week for months, possibly years.

I've also heard that they try to blemish your work record if you decide you've had enough. This is hearsay so I take this part with a grain of salt.

They would have better luck staffing the project if they went to 2 or 3 shifts at 5/6 days a week in my opinion.

I know a lot of construction workers with wives and kids that wouldn't even consider working there.

 

[Maverickman74]

I dont want to start anything political, but when 2009 recovery and reinvestment act hit Ohio at a time when I had nothing. Those construction jobs kept me good and on my feet and gave me the chance to learn the things that got me to where I am today(earning almost 60k a year and living in paradise). It was alot of jobs coming at one time, a time where if you were poor uneducated and young you had a damn good chance of falling into the opiod cesspool of Daytons worst sides. Those jobs bought me my 74 Maverick that brought me to the new Maverick.

These jobs coming to Ohio and all the jobs they will bring with em and new economic industrial funding feels to me like it did then. Those were good years in Ohio 2009 to 2015 if you were starting out at the bottom. Hopefully this and all the secondary jobs and money it brings to the community will help bring Ohios unfortunates out of the fentynal despair hell many communities are in. These types of job creations raise the tide for many ships.

 

[gte105u]

There is a nationwide labor shortage in construction. That is for skilled, semi-skilled, and unskilled labor. Between older generation retiring, the push for every kid to go to college vs the trades, and the people who left the industry in 2008-2009 and never came back, there are millions of available well paying jobs (though they are hard work).

Earlier statements are correct. There is significant diminishing returns when you work past 40 hours per week. Typical rule of thumb is you get 30% reduction in productivity for the hours over 40 to 50 (so if full 10 hours you get 7) and 50% if working over 50 (so if 20 hrs OT you get 10 hrs productivity). Working over 60 is unsafe for an extended period of time and almost impossible to maintain a workforce.

The issue with going to double shifts is staffing. If you cannot get enough workers to properly staff a project to avoid the need for overtime, where do you find the workers to work off shift?

 

[MostlySafeBear]

They are paying very well from what I am hearing but there is a problem.

Who wants to go work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week with no end in sight?

I know a lot of construction workers with wives and kids that wouldn't even consider working there.

I would want to work those hours, especially if the job was close to home, and paid overtime and double time. (Varies by state, but in California, if a person is hourly, they get 1.5x hourly for up to 4 hours past 8 in a day, and 2x hourly for the rest. Employers cannot adjust hours in a pay period to erase OT/DT)

I don't have a wife or kids, and I'd just put the cash away.

For me, the "end in sight" would be when the building is finished.

Sadly not an option for me, as I live in San Francisco (though I'm open to moving), and further, there aren't many jobs known to exist on a construction site for a smart guy in a wheelchair!

It would give me a lot of pride to know that I was part of helping my fellow citizens get the things that they need and want.

Right now I make above local minimum wage ($16.99/hr, I get $20.25/hr) providing building security and acting as a point of contact for emergency services and similar, but who doesn't want a more fulfilling job?

As an aside, more than a few people act surprised when they see a person with a disability working, as if we all want to sit home on our butts. Having a disability to some people means having no work ethic. Regularly blows my mind.

 

[inthecabin]

First off congratulations on wanting to work any way you can!! However 20 bucks an hour in San Francisco is almost unsustainable. I certainly hope you have help with your bills since you’re not looking for a handout. I would refer to your condition as handicapable. No shame there, however I hope you look into high tech training so you can improve your wages. Yeah people can be straight up Aholes. Just because you’re sitting doesn’t mean I look down upon you. I may wonder what’s their story and appear looking down.. Just saying, I wish you a great future!!

Not trying to nerd out but Stephan Hawking made many contributions!!

 

[MostlySafeBear]

First off congratulations on wanting to work any way you can!! However 20 bucks an hour in San Francisco is almost unsustainable. I certainly hope you have help with your bills since you’re not looking for a handout. I would refer to your condition as handicapable. No shame there, however I hope you look into high tech training so you can improve your wages. Yeah people can be straight up Aholes. Just because you’re sitting doesn’t mean I look down upon you. I may wonder what’s their story and appear looking down.. Just saying, I wish you a great future!!

Not trying to nerd out but Stephan Hawking made many contributions!!

Thankfully, I also get a significant disability check, and my rent is sliding scale. I also pick up overtime when I can, and have a bit of a side hustle. I'm not rich, but I am also not hurting for money, unlike some people, so I feel luckier than most.

Thanks for the good wishes.

As much as I am a decently smart bear, I'm no Stephen Hawking. I paid close attention in 12 years of school, can think on my feet, and Mr. Spock and Captain Picard from Star Trek were my idols.

 

[HalfFast]

There is a nationwide labor shortage in construction. That is for skilled, semi-skilled, and unskilled labor. Between older generation retiring, the push for every kid to go to college vs the trades, and the people who left the industry in 2008-2009 and never came back, there are millions of available well paying jobs (though they are hard work).

Earlier statements are correct. There is significant diminishing returns when you work past 40 hours per week. Typical rule of thumb is you get 30% reduction in productivity for the hours over 40 to 50 (so if full 10 hours you get 7) and 50% if working over 50 (so if 20 hrs OT you get 10 hrs productivity). Working over 60 is unsafe for an extended period of time and almost impossible to maintain a workforce.

The issue with going to double shifts is staffing. If you cannot get enough workers to properly staff a project to avoid the need for overtime, where do you find the workers to work off shift?

I think they would find it would be a lot easier to staff if they were doing 50 or 60 hour weeks.

Right now there is a lot of construction going on in central Ohio so people can pick and choose what jobs/companies they want to work for.

This has not always been the case. I have had to work out of state many times, and so have most of the people I know in the industry.

This is estimated to be a 3 to 5 year project. Those schedules are unsustainable and as long as that is the schedule they will continue to have problems staffing. It would be different if it were a 3 to 6 month project. I would along with many others go an make a small fortune.

Even with being close, I would be looking at getting up at 530 to leave by 6 and not getting home until 730 ish. Leaving 7 hours for sleep, I'd have 21 hours a week to maintain a household, a relationship and family obligations with 2 sets of aging parents that need help. I'd rather make good money and have what I have than make 50 to 75% more and lose everything.

There are also diminished returns on your check when you work that many hours...I've worked over 100 hours per week before and you barely take home half of your gross.

 

[gte105u]

I think they would find it would be a lot easier to staff if they were doing 50 or 60 hour weeks.

Right now there is a lot of construction going on in central Ohio so people can pick and choose what jobs/companies they want to work for.

This has not always been the case. I have had to work out of state many times, and so have most of the people I know in the industry.

This is estimated to be a 3 to 5 year project. Those schedules are unsustainable and as long as that is the schedule they will continue to have problems staffing. It would be different if it were a 3 to 6 month project. I would along with many others go an make a small fortune.

Even with being close, I would be looking at getting up at 530 to leave by 6 and not getting home until 730 ish. Leaving 7 hours for sleep, I'd have 21 hours a week to maintain a household, a relationship and family obligations with 2 sets of aging parents that need help. I'd rather make good money and have what I have than make 50 to 75% more and lose everything.

There are also diminished returns on your check when you work that many hours...I've worked over 100 hours per week before and you barely take home half of your gross.

Let's do a quick thought exercise on the 7x12 work week. That would be 84 hours. Depending on labor agreements and Ohio law (I forget there how they require charging premium time), this would the paid to the workers with OT at somewhere between 106 and 118 hours per week. This would be to get a diminished productive time per week from the worker of somewhere between 55-60 hours. This means the trades will be paying 2-3 workers per week for 1.5 worker worth or production.

There are a few issues with this logic:
1. This is incredibly unsafe. Most company safety policies will not allow over 60 hours a week for an extended period. Many won't allow over 50 for an extended period
2. This is a massive waste of money, which would be better spent in other ways to gain time
3. There is no makeup time. Every contract written says that contractors must makeup lost time due to their own issues. Already scheduled out at 7x12 does not allow for this.
4. You cannot staff a project like this long term
5. No one would agree to a schedule with likely damages predicated on working these hours

I am an officer with a large commercial General Contractor. Granted, I have not done a chip plant for Intel, but I have had my share of fast paced, large projects. I also admit I have no direct knowledge on this project. But I think the rumor of working single shift, 7x12 work weeks is just that (unsubstantiated rumor). It's possible that will be required for specific reasons case by case, but they are almost certainly not building the schedule that way. More likely they are doing double shift (or triple shift), trade stacking, multiple subcontractors per trade, out of state contractors and suppliers, increased wage incentive programs, etc. Those will have much higher returns of production vs. money spent.

I have my guesses as to who would spread rumors such as these, but I won't bog this thread down with that.

 

[Maverickman74]

Let's do a quick thought exercise on the 7x12 work week. That would be 84 hours. Depending on labor agreements and Ohio law (I forget there how they require charging premium time), this would the paid to the workers with OT at somewhere between 106 and 118 hours per week. This would be to get a diminished productive time per week from the worker of somewhere between 55-60 hours. This means the trades will be paying 2-3 workers per week for 1.5 worker worth or production.

There are a few issues with this logic:
1. This is incredibly unsafe. Most company safety policies will not allow over 60 hours a week for an extended period. Many won't allow over 50 for an extended period
2. This is a massive waste of money, which would be better spent in other ways to gain time
3. There is no makeup time. Every contract written says that contractors must makeup lost time due to their own issues. Already scheduled out at 7x12 does not allow for this.
4. You cannot staff a project like this long term
5. No one would agree to a schedule with likely damages predicated on working these hours

I am an officer with a large commercial General Contractor. Granted, I have not done a chip plant for Intel, but I have had my share of fast paced, large projects. I also admit I have no direct knowledge on this project. But I think the rumor of working single shift, 7x12 work weeks is just that (unsubstantiated rumor). It's possible that will be required for specific reasons case by case, but they are almost certainly not building the schedule that way. More likely they are doing double shift (or triple shift), trade stacking, multiple subcontractors per trade, out of state contractors and suppliers, increased wage incentive programs, etc. Those will have much higher returns of production vs. money spent.

I have my guesses as to who would spread rumors such as these, but I won't bog this thread down with that.

Yeah they arent doing 7-12 hr shifts. They may be building 7 days a week and allowed to have operations running for 12 hours of the day. But there is alot of things going on on even a single small factory type job. Crews coming in and out constantly in stages back and forth. Hell the fence guys will be in there atleast 3 different times. First to do the temp fence for gradingand clearing, then the permanent exterior fence, then the temp fence for contractor staging security yards, then once things are built they are gonna need alot of internal handrails and other safety barriers, then finally the nice gates on the exterior fence(you dont put those in earlier because they get torn up by out of town contractors equipment during the build. Those guys are gonna do that work at so many different intervals and schedules. Thats just the fence.

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