23S27/23V380

[mamboman777]

I hadn't seen this, until this morning, so, I thought I'd share.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RMISC-23V380-7289.pdf

What do you think they're gonna do?

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[BeardedK]

"CCRG determined that the risk of block breach and fire is likely exacerbated by the PHEV/HEV system which allows the customer to continue to drive the vehicle following a bearing failure and loss of the gasoline engine torque."

Hopefully they don't just try to cheap out and offer a software "fix" that'll stop the vehicle in the event that a crankshaft bearing fails. Seems like they'll need a mechanical fix - i.e. replacement block or permanent fix for current block - as well to remedy this situation. Guess we'll see what happens though.

 

[mamboman777]

"CCRG determined that the risk of block breach and fire is likely exacerbated by the PHEV/HEV system which allows the customer to continue to drive the vehicle following a bearing failure and loss of the gasoline engine torque."

Hopefully they don't just try to cheap out and offer a software "fix" that'll stop the vehicle in the event that a crankshaft bearing fails. Seems like they'll need a mechanical fix - i.e. replacement block or permanent fix for current block - as well to remedy this situation. Guess we'll see what happens though.

I think the defect is the manufacturing of the camshaft, which causes the bearings to fail and consequently the block to be punctured. Definitely a "yikes" recall. Ideally (or not?) They replace the mismanufactured part and the bearings. That's why I'm curious and nervous at what they're gonna do.

The good news is after they fixed it at the plant, the new stuff is working well. No consolation for me, but glad they know how to make it right. I just hope they do.

I wonder if this is part of the reason why the hybrid now costs more.

 

[GPSMan]

"CCRG determined that the risk of block breach and fire is likely exacerbated by the PHEV/HEV system which allows the customer to continue to drive the vehicle following a bearing failure and loss of the gasoline engine torque."

Hopefully they don't just try to cheap out and offer a software "fix" that'll stop the vehicle in the event that a crankshaft bearing fails. Seems like they'll need a mechanical fix - i.e. replacement block or permanent fix for current block - as well to remedy this situation. Guess we'll see what happens though.

The quoted statement is poorly worded (by them) and is a mis-characterization of the issue at hand.

The "Hybrid" nature of the vehicle is not the problem. This is a gasoline engine problem.

They are trying to say "driving on battery fans the flames" BUT the flames came from a gasoline engine fire from a gasoline engine failure.

The battery lasts for 1 mile or less usually.
The battery (alone) will only propel the truck at 25 mph or less.

"Fanning the flames" is a pitiful explanation.
It's no worse than ANY vehicle "coasting" to find a safe place to pull over and stop.

Poorly worded indeed.

 

[cneth]

The quoted statement is poorly worded (by them) and is a mis-characterization of the issue at hand.

The "Hybrid" nature of the vehicle is not the problem. This is a gasoline engine problem.

They are trying to say "driving on battery fans the flames" BUT the flames came from a gasoline engine fire from a gasoline engine failure.

I didn't read it that way, and I don't see any shying away from the gasoline engine (specifically the camshaft) being the issue here.

Instead it's just a statement of fact that seems quite plausible to me - because loss of the ICE doesn't immediately result in complete loss of power, the vehicle remains moving longer and thus there's more opportunity for oil to get sprayed around and hit the exhaust and catch on fire.

 

[BeardedK]

I didn't read it that way, and I don't see any shying away from the gasoline engine (specifically the camshaft) being the issue here.

Instead it's just a statement of fact that seems quite plausible to me - because loss of the ICE doesn't immediately result in complete loss of power, the vehicle remains moving longer and thus there's more opportunity for oil to get sprayed around and hit the exhaust and catch on fire.

Agreed.

The statement doesn't say that the hybrid components can start a fire, only that they may make it worse. I can see the electric motors keeping you moving if the engine grenades itself and you don't stop. Kind of like the guy in the EB that didn't heed the warnings (multiple lights according to his post awhile back) and his truck caught on fire. Not necessarily the same deal, but close enough.

 

[GPSMan]

No. Not a legit comparison.
If the transmission is in any way affected (depending on the size of the failure) you won't be able to drive on battery power either.

They are saying the "1 minute extra" makes a difference.

Hardly.

 

[GPSMan]

Your engine blows.
On the freeway. Say 65 mph.

Aren't you going to "coast" for 1 minute in most cases IN ANY VEHICLE to find a safe spot to pull over?

 

[Jfrancis]

I think the defect is the manufacturing of the camshaft, which causes the bearings to fail and consequently the block to be punctured. Definitely a "yikes" recall. Ideally (or not?) They replace the mismanufactured part and the bearings. That's why I'm curious and nervous at what they're gonna do.

The good news is after they fixed it at the plant, the new stuff is working well. No consolation for me, but glad they know how to make it right. I just hope they do.

I wonder if this is part of the reason why the hybrid now costs more.

Called my Ford Dealer in Southern California and for the first time they said that we may be able to call to make appointments in 2-3 weeks for the recall fix. I am not sure I believe this...he spent time trying to find this answer ...so not sure what to think about it.

 

[Kath]

Does anyone have any stats on the mileage these vehicles had on them when they caught on fire? If we decide to have our own mechanic drop the pan and check the bearings, does that void the warranty?

 

[Gullzway]

Called my Ford Dealer in Southern California and for the first time they said that we may be able to call to make appointments in 2-3 weeks for the recall fix. I am not sure I believe this...he spent time trying to find this answer ...so not sure what to think about it.

I don't see how they can "fix" this without removing and disassembling the engine or replacing it. Seriously doubt they will do that for the 125,000 vehicles involved.

More likely they will issue an extended warranty for the affected vehicles. Hopefully closer to 10 year/100,000 miles.

 

[Texas Mav22Hybrid]

What have I missed? Is the official announcement out? I’m wondering why I’ve not received it?

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