The Maverick is not yours until it is.

[dhill59]

Let me get this straight: if you HAD put down a deposit on the Maverick order, you think it WOULD be "your" Maverick? Nope. And the same is true for the Corolla your wife ordered... I'm not a lawyer, but IIRC the "business law" courses I took for my degree, unless you have a purchase agreement signed by both parties, with ALL the terms and conditions clearly stated, it's not "your" vehicle. Even if you do, it is technically not your vehicle - you just have an enforceable contract where the dealer has agreed to sell you a vehicle equipped a certain way to you (at some point in time) for the stated price.

Just placing a deposit along with an order does NOTHING to convey ownership. Since the dealer doesn't own the vehicle until it arrives at their lot, how could they possibly convey ownership of that asset to you? Here's a quick "reality check" for you: Can you insure the vehicle through a normal automotive policy? If not - you don't own the vehicle yet.

In point of fact, if your dealership filled out a COVP, that Ford Maverick order IS "associated" with you. Nope, you still don't own it, but the dealership has made a commitment (non-binding on either party's side) to order and sell that vehicle to you. Technically, there's nothing to stop the dealership from getting "your" order in, and selling it to anyone they choose. We've had several documented cases of that here in the forum.

What is HUGELY different between the way Toyota handles "orders" and how Ford handles orders is this: Toyota builds what they want to build, and vehicles are allocated to the regional distributorships, who in turn allocate those to the dealers within their territory. When you place an "order" with a Toyota dealer, you are telling them "Please look for a vehicle equipped similarly to the way I prefer, and in the color (or more commonly - one of these three colors that I can live with), and let me know when it arrives.

Ford actually allows you (the customer) to request a special-order from your dealership, and they will build EXACTLY the vehicle the dealership orders for you. Unless you (or more accurately - your dealer) makes a change to your order, you SHOULD receive exactly what you ordered. That is, of course, assuming "normal times" and vehicles that are established in production. The Maverick has many constraints that maya prevent your particular vehicle from being built. But Ford (the company) will absolutely NOT change anything in your order to be able to deliver "something" to your dealer. You'll either get what you ordered, or not get anything at all. (See plenty of folks still waiting on their XL Mavericks with trailer hitch...)

Your Toyota (or Mazda/Honda/Subaru/Hyundai/Kia/etc.) dealer will find something in the delivery queue that is "close" to what you ordered, and offer it to you. If you refuse it, they go on to the next person in the waiting list, and so on... The factory absolutely does NOT custom-build cars to order. There isn't even a mechanism in existence for placing such an order.

We can debate all day about which approach is better, but if you want a "unicorn" vehicle (some combination of features that is unique to your needs) you have ZERO chance of getting that from the Pacific Rim manufacturers, who "pre-decide" what combinations they will build. In contract, you have a fairly decent chance – subject to order-guide and supply-chain limitations, of course – of (eventually) getting it from Ford, GM, or Chrysler.

My wife just purchased a 2023 Honda Accord EX. Went on a near by dealership’s web site. Found the car we wanted on the “coming soon” pages and answered some questions. I was quoted an out the door price. We put down a deposit and a few weeks (not months or years) later, the dealer called us to make an appointment to pick up the car. Pretty damn simple. No up selling, no ADM NO BS. We even got the wax and interior protection for free.

I’ve owned 21 Fords. They need to get their crap together.

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[TomD]

After being here awhile one thing I notice is people feel that when they place a Maverick order they are ordering their Maverick. In reality we are picking the features we want in a Maverick and putting in a request for an allocation that fits that request at a dealership that hopefully will get that allocation. It’s not our Maverick until we drive it off the lot and then often times it’s not exactly the one we originally ordered because changes were made so that Ford might pick it to be built. There is nothing in that system that should tell you that’s “ my truck”.

So while waiting for a Maverick that is still not my Maverick I have my wife’s Corolla Cross hybrid in shipment. How is it that this is her Corolla Cross hybrid but the Maverick is not my Maverick you may ask?

Originally we got in a line at three dealerships for an allocation. No special order here. When we came up in line at one dealership and the build did not meet what we wanted. We passed on that allocation. We waited for an allocation of a build that met what we wanted. When one did come up that met what we wanted we took it and then payed a deposit on that allocation. Then and only when it was finally built could we call it our car because at that point we contracted, made our trade and paid for our car and that’s before it even ships.

I personally think Ford would do themselves a huge favor by going with a similar system.

Back in the day you were expected to put 10% down when you ordered a car or truck. That was back you could order a vehicle the way you wanted it opposed to ordering packages.
If you ordered a vehicle on A plan and then refused delivery you had better have a really good reason because you could be fired for refusing delivery. That was particularly true if you ordered something that would not sell fast. The last time i was able to order a vehicle like that was around 1981.

 

[TheSEARCH]

Lowest cost hybrid cross 30K I got TWO prices The stripped model They ad BS add ons called Port Installed options that are on the sticker and can NOT be refused. . Wow a car built in the USA has port installed options. Good one toyota. Its about 5 grand more over gas. To break even you need to drive about 90K miles. 25 mpg verse 39 mpg average. Not worth it,.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Lowest cost hybrid cross 30K I got TWO prices The stripped model They ad BS add ons called Port Installed options that are on the sticker and can NOT be refused. . Wow a car built in the USA has port installed options. Good one toyota. Its about 5 grand more over gas. To break even you need to drive about 90K miles. 25 mpg verse 39 mpg average. Not worth it,.

So the starting price difference between the gas XLE and the hybrid XSE is $3300 not $5000 and mileage difference is 31/33 and 45/38 so your numbers are off a bit.

The hybrid has 26 more combined horse power , better performance overall with more standard features.

Personally I think the hybrid is the way to go between the two but sure I agree that you will have to drive quite a number of miles to make up the difference in price. Regardless a Corolla Cross hybrid is an affordable hybrid within the reach of many people’s budget and will be very popular as is the hybrid Maverick.

I will be very surprised if the hybrid Maverick for MY 24 is not higher in price than it’s EB counterpart.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Lowest cost hybrid cross 30K I got TWO prices The stripped model They ad BS add ons called Port Installed options that are on the sticker and can NOT be refused. . Wow a car built in the USA has port installed options. Good one toyota. Its about 5 grand more over gas. To break even you need to drive about 90K miles. 25 mpg verse 39 mpg average. Not worth it,.

Btw our port installed packages were $289, not exactly a deal breaker. Additionally I didn’t start this thread to promote a certain Toyota model but rather to contrast the difference between the two automaker’s ordering process. I believe Toyota has it down better than Ford. I think that is demonstrably true.

 

[TheSEARCH]

So the starting price difference between the gas XLE and the hybrid XSE is $3300 not $5000 and mileage difference is 31/33 and 45/38 so your numbers are off a bit.

The hybrid has 26 more combined horse power , better performance overall with more standard features.

Personally I think the hybrid is the way to go between the two but sure I agree that you will have to drive quite a number of miles to make up the difference in price. Regardless a Corolla Cross hybrid is an affordable hybrid within the reach of many people’s budget and will be very popular as is the hybrid Maverick.

I will be very surprised if the hybrid Maverick for MY 24 is not higher in price than it’s EB counterpart.

FORGET quoted prices. My numbers in prices are REAL world pricing I had the opportunity too buy either one. It was 5 grand , The quote prices don't include port installed options as an example. Okay my numbers were off a little on mpg I went by memory which is not so good. 30K is the lowest at MSRP you can get.YES port installed options are on the sticker. (Mud flaps, floor mats, door edging could be a few more). Not the sticker the Toyota website shows but it will be on the sticker the dealer shows you.. I could have bought a regular Cross several times at 25330 BUT that was I THINK a little below msrp I can't remember as it was a month ago. . I hardly think its worth the almost 5 grand more. That is what's so good about the Mav the base model is hybrid.

I am talking the BASE no option model it may be less of a difference on higher models or ones with options. Two dealers quoted me the same price within a few dollars. Both 30k for hybrid, it was sticker Base model no options EXCEPT Port installed ones. . I was hoping for 28K as that is what they told me at auto show. They assured me it would not be more, lol. It was my backup in case no Mav. Lucky I got a build date for my Mav.

 

[Mav_RICK]

FORGET quoted prices. My numbers in prices are REAL world pricing I had the opportunity too buy either one. It was 5 grand , The quote prices don't include port installed options as an example. Okay my numbers were off a little on mpg I went by memory which is not so good. 30K is the lowest at MSRP you can get.YES port installed options are on the sticker. (Mud flaps, floor mats, door edging could be a few more). Not the sticker the Toyota website shows but it will be on the sticker the dealer shows you.. I could have bought a regular Cross several times at 25330 BUT that was I THINK a little below msrp I can't remember as it was a month ago. . I hardly think its worth the almost 5 grand more. That is what's so good about the Mav the base model is hybrid.

I am talking the BASE no option model it may be less of a difference on higher models or ones with options. Two dealers quoted me the same price within a few dollars. Both 30k for hybrid, it was sticker Base model no options EXCEPT Port installed ones. . I was hoping for 28K as that is what they told me at auto show. They assured me it would not be more, lol. It was my backup in case no Mav. Lucky I got a build date for my Mav.

I’m happy for both of us. You have a build date and mine is built and headed to dealership. I do think the hybrid will be quite a bit higher this model year. Hope not.

 

[TheSEARCH]

I’m happy for both of us. You have a build date and mine is built and headed to dealership. I do think the hybrid will be quite a bit higher this model year. Hope not.

What was so weird when it first came out the GAS engine was more. Go figure.

 

[Mav_RICK]

I’m happy for both of

What was so weird when it first came out the GAS engine was more. Go figure.

Actually I think at least in the beginning the whole reason for a Ford Maverick was so they could keep building the big trucks. The Hybrid Maverick especially to improve fuel economy averages.

 

[Chicolini]

What was so weird when it first came out the GAS engine was more. Go figure.

I figure it was a marketing decision. To my knowledge, Ford has not spent a penny on advertising the Maverick Hybrid.

 

[Chicolini]

I like the Ford ordering model better than the Toyota/Honda package model.

Ford will create for me a bespoke vehicle. The color I want, the options I want and I don't have to pay for the things I don't want, like a sunroof.

I have ordered a couple of trucks from Ford before the Mavericks. It used to take 6-8 weeks. It is not their business model, it is Ford's recent execution that has been lacking with the Maverick ordering process. I think someday it will improve.

I will not pay for anything until I test drive it.

 

[JimParker256]

My wife just purchased a 2023 Honda Accord EX. Went on a near by dealership’s web site. Found the car we wanted on the “coming soon” pages and answered some questions. I was quoted an out the door price. We put down a deposit and a few weeks (not months or years) later, the dealer called us to make an appointment to pick up the car. Pretty damn simple. No up selling, no ADM NO BS. We even got the wax and interior protection for free.

You are lucky that you wanted a 'standard' build - one of the ones that are in the pipeline. It really helps if you're not picky about colors, and don't want any "oddball" optional features (not part of the "packages") that the distributorship has decided don't "belong" in your area... Like engine pre-heaters in the South - you simply cannot get 'em...

A few years back, my daughter wanted a Hyundai Veloster in red, but NOT with the more common black interior (those were everywhere). There were dozens of red/black in the pipeline, but we could not find one that was red/red. None of the local dealers would even take her "order" for one, because they could see 2 months ahead in the pipeline, and knew Hyundai wasn't building any that way... Conversations with the regional distributor went nowhere, as a dealership would have to agree to accept that order before they would even ask for one to be built (3-4 months lead time, at least), and none of the local dealerships would do that, thinking that the red/red would be an unsellable vehicle. The fact that she was willing to put a deposit down was meaningless to them, because they figured once she saw it she would bail on the order, and they'd be stuck with a vehicle they could not sell. That's how "convinced" they were that red/red was not viable.

There is a happy ending to this story. A dealership in another state (different distributor) just happened to have one in stock, and agreed to hold it for 24 hours for her. She hopped on a plane and flew there, bought it, and drove it home. Ironically, the entire time she owned that Veloster, people would walk up to her in parking lots, asking if she would sell it to them. It looked GREAT! But the distributor apparently just didn't like red-on-red, and refused to order any for their dealers, so that was the end of it as far as they were concerned.

 

[DKubik]

After being here awhile one thing I notice is people feel that when they place a Maverick order they are ordering their Maverick. In reality we are picking the features we want in a Maverick and putting in a request for an allocation that fits that request at a dealership that hopefully will get that allocation. It’s not our Maverick until we drive it off the lot and then often times it’s not exactly the one we originally ordered because changes were made so that Ford might pick it to be built. There is nothing in that system that should tell you that’s “ my truck”.

So while waiting for a Maverick that is still not my Maverick I have my wife’s Corolla Cross hybrid in shipment. How is it that this is her Corolla Cross hybrid but the Maverick is not my Maverick you may ask?

Originally we got in a line at three dealerships for an allocation. No special order here. When we came up in line at one dealership and the build did not meet what we wanted. We passed on that allocation. We waited for an allocation of a build that met what we wanted. When one did come up that met what we wanted we took it and then payed a deposit on that allocation. Then and only when it was finally built could we call it our car because at that point we contracted, made our trade and paid for our car and that’s before it even ships.

I personally think Ford would do themselves a huge favor by going with a similar system.

I paid a deposit for my Maverick. How would that be any different than you ordering your Toyota?

 

[NJBob]

Let me get this straight: if you HAD put down a deposit on the Maverick order, you think it WOULD be "your" Maverick? Nope. And the same is true for the Corolla your wife ordered... I'm not a lawyer, but IIRC the "business law" courses I took for my degree, unless you have a purchase agreement signed by both parties, with ALL the terms and conditions clearly stated, it's not "your" vehicle. Even if you do, it is technically not your vehicle - you just have an enforceable contract where the dealer has agreed to sell you a vehicle equipped a certain way to you (at some point in time) for the stated price.

Just placing a deposit along with an order does NOTHING to convey ownership. Since the dealer doesn't own the vehicle until it arrives at their lot, how could they possibly convey ownership of that asset to you? Here's a quick "reality check" for you: Can you insure the vehicle through a normal automotive policy? If not - you don't own the vehicle yet.

In point of fact, if your dealership filled out a COVP, that Ford Maverick order IS "associated" with you. Nope, you still don't own it, but the dealership has made a commitment (non-binding on either party's side) to order and sell that vehicle to you. Technically, there's nothing to stop the dealership from getting "your" order in, and selling it to anyone they choose. We've had several documented cases of that here in the forum.

What is HUGELY different between the way Toyota handles "orders" and how Ford handles orders is this: Toyota builds what they want to build, and vehicles are allocated to the regional distributorships, who in turn allocate those to the dealers within their territory. When you place an "order" with a Toyota dealer, you are telling them "Please look for a vehicle equipped similarly to the way I prefer, and in the color (or more commonly - one of these three colors that I can live with), and let me know when it arrives.

Ford actually allows you (the customer) to request a special-order from your dealership, and they will build EXACTLY the vehicle the dealership orders for you. Unless you (or more accurately - your dealer) makes a change to your order, you SHOULD receive exactly what you ordered. That is, of course, assuming "normal times" and vehicles that are established in production. The Maverick has many constraints that maya prevent your particular vehicle from being built. But Ford (the company) will absolutely NOT change anything in your order to be able to deliver "something" to your dealer. You'll either get what you ordered, or not get anything at all. (See plenty of folks still waiting on their XL Mavericks with trailer hitch...)

Your Toyota (or Mazda/Honda/Subaru/Hyundai/Kia/etc.) dealer will find something in the delivery queue that is "close" to what you ordered, and offer it to you. If you refuse it, they go on to the next person in the waiting list, and so on... The factory absolutely does NOT custom-build cars to order. There isn't even a mechanism in existence for placing such an order.

We can debate all day about which approach is better, but if you want a "unicorn" vehicle (some combination of features that is unique to your needs) you have ZERO chance of getting that from the Pacific Rim manufacturers, who "pre-decide" what combinations they will build. In contract, you have a fairly decent chance – subject to order-guide and supply-chain limitations, of course – of (eventually) getting it from Ford, GM, or Chrysler.

I love the idea to order exactly what I want. Just not waiting a year for it. Only other car I ever ordered was a 1980 LUV. Waited a while for that too. But when it came in was not the color I ordered. Maybe the dealer based me on the order. But I ordered it with no rear bumper or radio. And that is what I got.

 

[Mav_RICK]

I paid a deposit for my Maverick. How would that be any different than you ordering your Toyota?

The difference is when you paid your deposit you did not even have a truck allocated to you through your dealership and you may not ever get the truck. FWIW I didn't pay a depot on the Maverick. When I paid my deposit on the Toyota , after accepting the build, a vehicle was allocated to me through the dealership and the allocation is a vehicle they are ready to build. There is quite a difference actually.

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