Hybrid licencing fee?

[WesM]

As we transition to EVs (and hybrids) fuel tax revenue will decline. States are well aware of this and are actively looking at how to recover that income. Oregon tested a mileage fee system some years ago but there were some privacy concerns.

We will end up with some combination of licensing fee or mileage fee eventually.

• Mileage fees have privacy issues and are complex because how do you account for miles driven in a different state?
• Licensing fees would be astronomical if they had to offset the complete fuel tax.

No easy answers. Enjoy your EV or hybrid while it lasts, the states will catch up eventually.

I wonder if they will find a way to tax electricity. You will get a form at the end of the year from the electric company saying how much you paid for the EV tax and if you do not have an EV you get it back in a state issued tax credit.

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[NJBob]

I can see them putting separate meters on both commercial and home chargers. To me seems the most equitable way.

 

[Taxman100]

I'm in Ohio - I'd rather pay a flat fee than have the government monitor how many miles you drive.

I'm sure if your car is a "smart" car, they can already track your location and distance traveled 24 hours a day.

Fueleconomy.gov - if you drive 12,000 miles a year, you save $500 in gas in the hybrid vs. the Ecoboost. So make that $400 a year net savings if you are in Ohio....

 

[grumpyunk]

Indiana has a registration fee for hybrids and EV's. $50 for a hybrid and $150 for electric vehicles. I'm fine with it. As others have said they have to pay for upkeep to the roads and EV's especially and hybrids to a lesser degree are not paying gasoline taxes that pay for the roads.

I kinda thing the hybrids should not be saddled with an extra fee. After all, every bit of energy they use to move on the roads is supplied from fuel put into the gas tank.
They just happen to be extra frugal in their use of fuel, and actually have been surpassed in their frugality by some models of Toyota and Honda, and perhaps some Chevrolet labeled Korean imports.

So you lead the way(sort of) in ecological use of petroleum fuel, and get popped in the chops for doing so with an extra fee above and beyond the road use taxes already paid.

I think some legislator got a bug somewhere, and wrote a bill that was discriminatory towards fuel efficient vehicles.
Do they also have an extra fee for the vehicles that get 42mpg or more on the EPA tests? If not, there is an opening for a lawyer to claim discrimination... great.

In GA, if you are elderly, the annual tag fee is decreased if you can attest to driving less than XXk miles annually. The will accept a statement of the odometer reading to reduce the fee. In the past, the annual emissions test required the odometer reading at time of testing. So, they know already how many miles you drive if you are required to get the vehicle tested. I remember CA SMOG testing as requiring odometer readings, and of course, when you transfer title, the odometer is also recorded. If they don't know, all the have to do is require odo readings for registration renewals.

 

[Waterick]

States will get their road tax money one way or another. I think the fairest way is both weight and miles based. This would people with multiple vehicles and trucks that are used less.

 

[Waterick]

To correct earlier entry; should help people with multiple vehicles and heavy trucks that may be driven less. Also, in South Carolina we pay $30/year extra for hybrids and $60/year for EVs. So far PHEVs are considered hybrids.

 

[FriscoTXJoe]

I hate being taxed as much as anyone else but if hybrids and EV's are gonna grow in use, the state needs a way to pay for the roads. If it ain't gonna be in gas taxes, gotta find it another way.

I wonder what the disposal fee for all the batteries from a dead hybrid/EV will be in the future.

Green energy ain't cheap and really ain't so green after all.

 

[Decayed]

States will get their road tax money one way or another. I think the fairest way is both weight and miles based. This would people with multiple vehicles and trucks that are used less.

It's probably coming. The fuel tax is kind of outdated at this point though it kind of rolled in both weight and mileage indirectly.

 

[MaverickTopGun]

This is as of about 3 years ago, as reported from myev.com. They didn't put a date on the article, I guess to always make it look there articles are "fresh". Don't know why those dweebs do that.
The comments section have 3 year old comments in them, a clue.
Here in Colorado, we are on the lower side with a $50 annual EV fee, and no hybrid fee.

STATE-BY-STATE FEES
Here's a rundown of the states that currently charge electric-vehicle owners added fees, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures:

California: $100 annual fee for a zero-emissions vehicle. Starting in January 2021, annual increases will be indexed to the consumer price index.

Colorado: $50 annual fee for full-electric and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) vehicles.

Georgia: $200 annual license fee for “noncommercial alternative fueled vehicles,” including EVs, but not PHEVs (unless the owner requests an alt-fuel license plate). The fee is automatically adjusted on an annual basis.

Idaho: $140 annual fee for EVs; it’s $75 for PHEVs.

Illinois: $100 annual fee for EVs beginning July 1, 2019.

Indiana: $150 annual fee for EVs; it’s $50 for hybrids and PHEVs.

Michigan: $135 annual fee for non-hybrid electric vehicles weighing less than 8,000 pounds; it’s $235 for those weighing more than 8,000 pounds. The state charges hybrid owners an extra $47.50 and PHEV drivers an added $117.50. These fees are indexed to the state gas tax and would rise incrementally if it is increased.

Minnesota: $75 annual fee on EVs.

Mississippi: $150 fee on EVs and a $75 fee on hybrids. Beginning July 1, 2021, these fees will be indexed to the inflation rate.

Missouri: $75 annual fee on EVs, and $37.50 on PHEVs.

Nebraska: $75 annual fee on alternative-fuel vehicles, including EVs.

North Carolina: $130 on plug-in vehicles, including EVs.

Oregon: $110 annual fee on PHEVs beginning on January 1, 2020.

South Carolina: $120 biennial fee for EVs; it’s a $60 biennial fee for hybrids.

Tennessee: $100 annual fee for EVs.

Utah: $60 annual fee for EVs; it increases to $90 in 2020 and $120 in 2021. Hybrids are assessed a $10 fee that rises to $15 in 2020 and $20 in 2021. It’s currently a $26 annual fee for PHEVs that jumps to $39 in 2020 and $52 in 2021. In 2022 increases will be indexed to the consumer price index.

Virginia: $64 annual license for EVs.

Washington: $150 annual fee for EVs.

Wisconsin: $100 annual fee for EVs.

 

[Redneck Garage]

OK I found this - for general purposes if you have a hybrid Maverick the cost would be roughly half as this is calculated on 22 MPG. Cost would be slightly higher in 2022 over 2019 as taxes have gone up slightly per gallon. If states are trying to recover the road tax lost then this would be a pretty good rule of thumb of what they would have to charge for an EV and a Hybrid.

 

[Joe Kelly]

All I will say is the tax max will catch you sooner or later. 10 years ago when I drove in Europe with a rental car I had two choices on road fees. Pay the rental car company for windshield stickers that showed I paid the road fees or stop after crossing the border and buy a sticker. Truck drivers used to be required to buy fuel in a state they pass through Or a license decal for the door. I am not sure if both these conditions still apply but I will bet a dollar to a donut the states will come up with something to get their money.

 

[AutobahnSHO]

Those fees are all a tiny portion of the money states will be losing from gasoline sales.
Taking South Carolina for example, $60 biennial fee for hybrid.

If a hybrid gets 20mpg better than regular gas, over 10k miles per year and a $.18/gallon gasoline tax, which is $90 per year. So every two years would be $180 in taxes lost vs the charge of $60.

I expect the fees to get tacked on little by little and slowly increase for EV/ Hybrids.

 

[Flomounier1]

In California Hybrid vehicle registration is %50 more expensive than ICE vehicle reg. Full EV registration is double ICE reg .

 

[Tyler]

$75 Hybrid vehicle registration fee in Washington State. The hybrid fee is meant to fund the electric vehicle charging network.... which conventional hybrids like the maverick can't even take advantage of

 

[Jatrax]

Not sure my math is correct but:
Federal gas tax is 18.40 cents
Average state tax in 2022 is 31.6
So on average gas tax is 50 cents /gallon

If you drive 20,000 miles and get 25 miles per gallon that is 800 gallons

800 gallons x 50 cents is $400 or $200 if you only drive 10,000 miles

That's $400 in lost revenue if it is a pure EV.

I think there has to be a combination of registration and mileage tax to replace that. Registration based on weight and axles. Tracking the mileage is the tricky part.
How do you:

• Track mileage without invading privacy
• Account for miles driven out of state
• Prevent people from cheating

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