Getting real tired of the $20k truck argument. ..rant

[slashy42]

Probably due to exhaust/muffler packaging it cant fit the full size spare under the rear of the truck

But you can still buy it...

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[slashy42]

I just built several ecoboost builds and the full size spare is available for $115 under accessories. I get that people are mad they have to pay for it, but its available if you want it and it’s not that much in the grand scheme of things. I guess I don’t see the big deal about this other than having to pay $115 for it.

That's the other part, when I built mine the wording was very different. I thought I was getting the full size spare. I was surprised when I reviewed my order a few weeks ago and realized I wasn't getting it, and it's too late since it's scheduled for production.

 

[CASD57]

Maybe..I'm an exception....or very lucky...but I don't give a crap what size the spare is, I haven't used one in 40 years, Some of the bitching I understand.. like rear window defrost/fogger but I didn't have that for years also and I lived through it..
I can't believe people, you're getting a pickup with exceptional MPG in both forms for an unheard-of price in today's market.... There is nothing even close to it in price.
Go load up a Toyota...Nissan...Chevy/GMC.... and See where the Price falls too..
Sorry but this is like listening to a spoiled brat that throws a fit because mom didn't buy the right cereal...
Grow up and feel Thankful for the chance to buy a Truck because some of us won't/can't afford a $35,000/+ Truck these days...
I feel blessed to have this opportunity............

 

[lurch70]

At the end of the day, if you spend $28k, 35k or 40k on the Maverick you are really just getting a well dressed up $20,000 truck.

The truck in core, in bones, in all things except for extras like seat trim and optional equipment was designed as a $20,000 truck. Period.

This means that the plastics inside it are just as cheap and hard on the $40k Maverick as they are on the 20k one. This means the road noise and handling feel, the sound of the powertrain, the sound of the door slamming, and the build quality are identical from the 20k truck all the way up to whatever it costs.

Adding $20,000 of options, fancier seat trim, different colored plastics and different design wheels doesn't change it's core basic form any more than a woman wearing a dress from Walmart is any different a person if she is wearing Dolce & Gabbana.

I've driven a number of $80-90k F-Series trucks in the last year or so that while very nice, have a basic structure and interior quality of the one designed to sell for $30k. It's sometimes disappointing, but it is reality no matter how much Nappa leather and genuine wood trim they dress the thing up with.

There is nothing wrong with optioning up the vehicle, but I bought my $20,000 XL knowing very well what I am buying, a vehicle designed to sell at $20,000. I'm not fooling myself.

You are spot on with this observation ... that's pretty much the case with any car however. I never understood the insane add ons most people opt for. I get it it's their pocket, not mine but man, I can't justify 2x the price of a base car for just toys. Luxury manufacturers are experts at this game and this is where their profits lie also.

A base XL and probably even an XLT are most likely loss leaders for Ford. They are banking on us coming back and accessorizing for years to come and also bringing a lot of new people into the Ford family.

BMW had the same plan with the MINI Cooper 20 years ago.

 

[Nw_adventure]

I just built several ecoboost builds and the full size spare is available for $115 under accessories. I get that people are mad they have to pay for it, but its available if you want it and it’s not that much in the grand scheme of things. I guess I don’t see the big deal about this other than having to pay $115 for it.

Exactly but I think the point is why is the hybrid getting it almost free with any package but not a single packaged option on any EB ?

 

[slashy42]

Maybe..I'm an exception....or very lucky...but I don't give a crap what size the spare is, I haven't used one in 40 years, Some of the bitching I understand.. like rear window defrost/fogger but I didn't have that for years also and I lived through it..
I can't believe people, you're getting a pickup with exceptional MPG in both forms for an unheard-of price in today's market.... There is nothing even close to it in price.
Go load up a Toyota...Nissan...Chevy/GMC.... and See where the Price falls too..
Sorry but this is like listening to a spoiled brat that throws a fit because mom didn't buy the right cereal...
Grow up and feel Thankful for the chance to buy a Truck because some of us won't/can't afford a $35,000/+ Truck these days...
I feel blessed to have this opportunity............

Not having to use the spare, vs not needing aren't the same thing at all. If your pulling a trailer or off road a donut is not an acceptable alternative to a spare tire. Towing and of road packages should have that.

The biggest problem I have is that the original wording on the luxury and copilot packages made it sound like you would get the spare, but were later changed, and it was too late for me to fix my order. The packaging and communication on that item in particular is pretty absurd.

Also you really shouldn't feel grateful that some company made a product you want. That's their job. I'm excited, and the spare tire isn't a deal breaker for me, but it is one of several valid criticisms. I'm under no obligation to be grateful. Ford should be grateful I want to do business with them despite their mis worded package details. They should be earning my business, not depending on my sense of gratitude.

 

[oljackfrost]

BMW had the same plan with the MINI Cooper 20 years ago.

Ford had the same plan with the Mustang 55 years ago!

 

[balucipher]

At the end of the day, if you spend $28k, 35k or 40k on the Maverick you are really just getting a well dressed up $20,000 truck.

The truck in core, in bones, in all things except for extras like seat trim and optional equipment was designed as a $20,000 truck. Period.

This means that the plastics inside it are just as cheap and hard on the $40k Maverick as they are on the 20k one. This means the road noise and handling feel, the sound of the powertrain, the sound of the door slamming, and the build quality are identical from the 20k truck all the way up to whatever it costs.

Adding $20,000 of options, fancier seat trim, different colored plastics and different design wheels doesn't change it's core basic form any more than a woman wearing a dress from Walmart is any different a person if she is wearing Dolce & Gabbana.

I've driven a number of $80-90k F-Series trucks in the last year or so that while very nice, have a basic structure and interior quality of the one designed to sell for $30k. It's sometimes disappointing, but it is reality no matter how much Nappa leather and genuine wood trim they dress the thing up with.

There is nothing wrong with optioning up the vehicle, but I bought my $20,000 XL knowing very well what I am buying, a vehicle designed to sell at $20,000. I'm not fooling myself.

Yes, to an extent.

But some of the dress up is worth it. Take a Lariat F150 vs a bare bones XL. Same structure, but vastly different inside and a vastly different experience.

In the Maverick, I agree the jump between trims is minimal. XL to XLT adds wheels, probably higher quality cloth for the seats, and opens up some other options. XLT to Lariat adds a different windshield, pleather, and opens up the door to the Lux package which gives you the higher end options. Not really huge jumps, but compared to the pricing jumps in a ranger or F150, the prices are closer too.

I think XLT hits the sweet spot for most people. Aluminum wheels, cruise control, an interesting interior. For people who tow or need AWD, those options are there. For people who just want great MPGs, the hybrid is killing it. For people who don't mind adding their own wheels or living without cruise, the XL is the best package hands down, and you get the same engine/drivetrain/tow options.

 

[HPR]

since people on these forums apparently claim to already have theirs in production or have build dates that pre-date "end of September".

Would you like to see my apparently claim email from ford that says build date of 9/20? Don't forget about the 9/13 build dates either.

 

[CASD57]

Not having to use the spare, vs not needing aren't the same thing at all. If your pulling a trailer or off road a donut is not an acceptable alternative to a spare tire. Towing and of road packages should have that.

The biggest problem I have is that the original wording on the luxury and copilot packages made it sound like you would get the spare, but were later changed, and it was too late for me to fix my order. The packaging and communication on that item in particular is pretty absurd.

Also you really shouldn't feel grateful that some company made a product you want. That's their job. I'm excited, and the spare tire isn't a deal breaker for me, but it is one of several valid criticisms. I'm under no obligation to be grateful. Ford should be grateful I want to do business with them despite their mis worded package details. They should be earning my business, not depending on my sense of gratitude.

I get the towing need, but I’m still grateful for hybrid truck at $21500.00 that gives me room to add on without even coming close to the competition

 

[Nw_adventure]

I get the towing need, but I’m still grateful for hybrid truck at $21500.00 that gives me room to add on without even coming close to the competition

Your signature has way too many options to price out @ 21.5k

 

[Old Ranchero]

I see the impatient haters here bashing on Ford for constraints and wait times. I also see the Fanboys singing Fords praise for anything they do, even while people have been waiting well over a year for Broncos, 100k plus F-150s sitting in storage lots waiting on chips and watching as Ford has more and more supply problems well documented in the mainstream news with many of their vehicles with no clear answer or solution.

I get the supply problems on this and other items. What I don't often get is the response and answers from Ford and some of the fanboys. I think Ford has a hit truck on their hands with this Maverick, but I think they also may have rushed out some things too soon and not offered different choices and solutions to some of the problems they are now facing.

What I CANNOT stand is people that keep bringing up the "What do you want or expect from a $20k truck", any time Ford is called to task or we ask why certain options are not available on this truck. I ordered a $28k XL and cant get a stand alone cruise control. My friend ordered a $33k XLT and couldn't get a Sirius radio. Lack of a black leather choice in a $37k Lariat. Constraints on items that could be completed later after the purchase by the dealer instead of holding up an order indefinitely. Can we still use the "what do you expect for a $20k truck excuse when addressing any complaint"? I understand that I bought a truck from the cheaper end of their line, but I didn't buy the bottom of the barrel FWD base model.

The price range on these Mavericks go from $20k up to about $40k. That is a huge swing. In my case, my build is just over $28k. That no longer qualifies my truck as a $20k truck, at least in my mind. Very few people are buying the base model with no options. I would venture a guess the average build is somewhere around $28k. I think people who are paying this much have the right to gripe or talk about without hearing the "what do you expect for a $20k truck comment. If you want to bitch about people complaining that's fine, just don't use the $20k truck argument.

I also think more constraints are going to keep coming, I hope I'm wrong. I am not one of those constantly complaining here every 5 minutes, but I'm afraid that while someone decides to patiently wait for an item on constraint, another will pop up a month or two further down the line, further delaying the order.

As a side note, I will go on the record saying the next constraint will be a sun roof...

Rant over...

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[asel3121]

Would you like to see my apparently claim email from ford that says build date of 9/20? Don't forget about the 9/13 build dates either.

I didn't mean to imply anyone was dishonest about it, probably should have worded that better.

 

[Old Ranchero]

So get a trim level with fewer upgrades, so your sense of value is satisfied? I mean seriously... what do you expect? Ford to come over to these forums, apologize for not offering you the options you wanted and then offer you your options so your sense of value is affirmed?

This is not how car manufacturing has ever worked. Ford crunched a bunch of numbers, figured out how to get as much money out of people while delivering just enough to make the majority happy and keep their costs down.

I think I'm going to go start a thread on why I'm really angry at Ford for not offering a 9000lb towing capacity and the option for 6 wheel drive on the Maverick.

don't forget it has to be a hybrid too- otherwise the hybrid posses will be chomping at your @$$!

 

[Old Ranchero]

If you couldn't tell by my username my name is Dodge and I may be the ultimate Ford fanboy. I listen to a lot of tech podcasts and all I hear is about the chip shortage and shipping delays during the worst pandemic in 100 years. Look at the full size Bronco I haven't even seen one on the road yet. Because of the chips and delays, I knew going into this I was in it for the long haul. Some people may not be able to wait because the vehicle they have may be on its last legs. Which is completely understandable. But I doubt Ford or any company wants to hold back production. Look at the PS5 and Xbox X if you got one you're one of the lucky people almost a year later. And I'm sure they would love to sell more. I always have a joke that I say I'm not a doctor that's why I have no patience. But I think we should be able to have some patience with the way things are going in the world right now. Waiting for a truck is a small price to pay for some people.

Eggzactly! on the bright side, at least the trucks don't have to be airlifted to us from Kabul airport

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