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You would think that with a 1.4 mile trip and 1 mile of it being electric, the MPG's would be stratospherically high. Maybe you had a lot of idle time? 10 minutes seems like a long time to travel 1.4 miles. When I sit at idle for awhile, I watch my MPG's drop on the trip computer.
It’s not a given. Say you idled or had low Hybrid battery charge and no. Regen, you’ll obviously have the motor on more. Also if you’re gunning it, motor will similarly kick on a ton. I personally find it fun to try to see how far I can get on battery but that requires constant slowness or what they said above about a constant 55-60 (above it seems mpg suffers)
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Huh? Low speeds are where hybrids excel (under 50MHP). It's short trips that kill MPG in a hybrid at low speed, unless the ICE is already warmed up.
Yes. The engine(that is the ice) is not efficient at low speeds. So if you are not able to run battery the mpgs are horrible.
 

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What @Bushpilot said. This. Yes. I also do not believe the notes in the manual about premium fuel pertain to the hybrid; I think they are Ecoboost specific.

I will say this, though what burns most efficiently is ethanol free gasoline. Furthermore, if premium fuel is more efficient, for some reason, it's almost never more economical. (The money saved on mpg doesn't make up for the money spent on premium over regular).

The only instance where I would consider premium is when towing hauling, like the manual says, but like I previously stated, I'm not convinced it does anything for the hybrid, only the Ecoboost.
In today's modern engine with variable cam timing premium fuel can make you that difference back depending on driving styles.
 

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This engine is not efficient at low speeds
The opposite is true: it is most efficient at lower speeds

On two individual trips (Christmas Light Tours) each about 1 1/2 hours in length with speeds only exceeding 25 MPH for a short time and much at speeds between 10-15 MPG I averaged 60.7 MPG and 62.1 MPG.

On the first trip the truck was parked for about 15 minutes while still turned on so that we could watch a home that had one spectacular choreographed light show display. The truck ran the ICE engine a few times for heat and to recharge the HV battery.

The ICE engine was running a number of times during the trips to heat the truck and recharge the HV battery.
 
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A point of interest is that if you drive the same short trip exactly the same (accelerating and braking) it may get different MPG's numbers because on one but not the other as the ICE engine may be called upon for HEAT/AC or to recharge the HV battery.
 
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The opposite is true: it is most efficient at lower speeds

On two individual trips (Christmas Light Tours) each about 1 1/2 hours in length with speeds only exceeding 25 MPH for a short time and much at speeds between 10-15 MPG I averaged 60.7 MPG and 62.1 MPG.

On the first trip the truck was parked for about 15 minutes while still turned on so that we could watch a home that had one spectacular choreographed light show display. The truck ran the ICE engine a few times for heat and to recharge the HV battery.

The ICE engine was running a number of times during the trips to heat the truck and recharge the HV battery.
No the engine is the gas engine. IT is not efficient at low speeds. Your electric is VERY efficient. The OP drove 1.5 miles and 33 percent on ENGINE. this killed his fuel mileage for the TWO mile trip. You drove a long time allowing the engine to charge the battery. That is an efficient trip. Now the pp only drove .4 miles in gas...at low speeds the ICE averages like 8 miles per gallon. And that is assuming that it did not idle. I have literally seen a 1 mile trip end in less than 15 mpg because the electric motor did not turn on long enough to amount to anything. On the flop side I have seem that same trip be electric only.
 
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No the engine is the gas engine. IT is not efficient at low speeds. Your electric is VERY efficient. The OP drove 2 miles and 50 percent on ENGINE. this killed his fuel mileage for the TWO mile trip. You drove a long time allowing the engine to charge the battery. That is an efficient trip.
You are taking one trip the OP did as fact that the same exact trip driven the exact same way will always produce the exact same MPG report.

That is not true.

A point of interest is that if you drive the same short trip exactly the same (accelerating and braking) it may get different MPG's numbers because on one but not the other as the ICE engine may be called upon for HEAT/AC or to recharge the HV battery.

I have done these repeated short trips many times.

Example: I have driven from home to lunch a number of times to the same restaurant driving the same ECO Drive Mode (same acceleration and same braking). These trips are about 1.2 miles. I have gotten MPG reports of 19.1 MPG, 28.7 MPG 39.5 MPG and 56.5 MPG. The reason for the differences is weather or not the ICE engine needs to come on for Heat/AC or just to recharge the HV battery.

If the OP did his example trip a number of times then his MPG numbers will also vary.
 

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Come spring you will think your the King! Okay I am waiting on my 4th hybrid. 2 Toyota’s and now a Hyundai Ioniq. Cold weather makes a big difference, tire pressure also. It will get allot bette…I didn’t even mention that my wife drives a hybrid also, her car figures per trip and mine figures per tank, and sometimes those can be quite different. 87 gas is fine, but winter gas is different than summer, worse mileage. Hang in there it will get better! Sorry if there are spelling errors in this post, I’m typing this without my glasses…old man problems
 

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In today's modern engine with variable cam timing premium fuel can make you that difference back depending on driving styles.
I did say almost never make the difference back and I stand by that. I saw one example in the forums where the math worked and it was by a hair.

About the engine timings, I have received no evidence that the 2.5 Atkinson works like this. Do you have any?
 

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I did say almost never make the difference back and I stand by that. I saw one example in the forums where the math worked and it was by a hair.

About the engine timings, I have received no evidence that the 2.5 Atkinson works like this. Do you have any?
I did not say it was the case with this engine, but you said never
 
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The opposite is true: it is most efficient at lower speeds

On two individual trips (Christmas Light Tours) each about 1 1/2 hours in length with speeds only exceeding 25 MPH for a short time and much at speeds between 10-15 MPG I averaged 60.7 MPG and 62.1 MPG.

On the first trip the truck was parked for about 15 minutes while still turned on so that we could watch a home that had one spectacular choreographed light show display. The truck ran the ICE engine a few times for heat and to recharge the HV battery.

The ICE engine was running a number of times during the trips to heat the truck and recharge the HV battery.
I'm with @huunvubu on this one. Wind resistance is not linear. It takes more energy to overcome the resistance if wind at higher speeds. On a single speed transmission (eCVT) where the transmission is in it's highest gearing from the beginning, I think that lowest possible maintainable speed will yield best mpg. I'm talking flat drag strip 5 miles long with exactly the same wind temp etc. Yatta yatta yatta. I bet the best achieved mileage will be under 55, for sure.

That said, most often if I choose the route with slower speeds, it also has more stops, which makes a big difference, too.
 

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And what's the math on those?
Average is around 2 mpgs. Those trucks all average way less than 20 mpgs. So greater than 10% better. Here is the kicker. I normally see premium around .30 cents higher than regular. Under Trump fuel prices were really low. It was around 2.30 for premium around here. So math did not come out. Under Biden it has been well above 3 bucks for regular. So less than 10 percent more for Premium and more than 10% more fuel mileage. It works out over the long run. In areas with 4 and 5 dollar gas the returns are even better.
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