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Suzuki Sidekick = Geo Tracker
Suzuki Vitara = Chevy Tracker
Thanks, I owned every generation, I wasn't speaking of rebranding, but each successive generation.

The Jimneys have never been imported here, but it's what the Suzuki models evolved into in Japan.
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I'm rural, we have zero infrastructure to charge, the few folks that have them installed their own chargers.

EVs, without tax breaks, and high initial costs tends to put them beyond the reach of most of us.

I don't advocate importing Chinese vehicles, but the idea they could build in Mexico, and bring an 80 mile range, 15k ev, should be showing its that type of EV we need.

The Model T EV is my idea, affordable, short range, limited if any options, limited colors, basic transportation.
The BYD Shark is an awesome truck. It's genius similar to the Chevy Volt. No transmission , same system as a train with electric motors.
 

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I'm rural, we have zero infrastructure to charge, the few folks that have them installed their own chargers.
It looks like you’re not getting how this works:

Everyone charges their EV at home. If you have an EV, in most places, they have an EV rate plan that will give you cheaper electricity at night than is available to non-EV owners.

These night time rate plans make home charging cost less than half as much as charging at a supercharger station.

imagine if your options for fueling your Maverick were 1) go into town and pay $3 a gallon for gas at the gas station, or 2) let the utility company install underground pipes to you house for zero cost and then pump your own gas at your house for $1.50 a gallon. Who would go to the gas station? No one. Well, except when going on a road trip, where you didn’t have the ability to get back to your house to pump it for cheap.

That is how it works owning an EV. So it doesn’t matter if you are rural. And your claim that there is zero infrastructure to charge, is just plain wrong. You have electricity going to your house right? 99.99% of all American homes have electricity. If you have electricity, you have the infrastructure to charge an EV. You just need to install a charger, which is not super complicated and can be done by an electrician in under 30 minutes.

And you don’t need supercharger stations by your house. You don’t even need supercharger stations within 100 miles of your house because you have enough range to get further than that. And if you are close to your house, you want to be charging at home to save $.

So, even if you live in rural NW Penn, the furthest that a charger will be from you is 70 miles. And once you get on the interstate system, there are chargers every 60 miles.
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I just retired an 85 Escort, 21 mpg, the best in my fleet, paid for, reliable and boring, solid, but leaked oil.

If a new Geo Metro was made for 10k, and got similar mileage as the originals, 35 to 40 mpg, I'd be in one before a Maverick hybrid.

Same goes for a Suzukl Samurai, or a Tracker.

I've been looking at imported Jimneys, Suzukis new tracker.

Low mile, 25 years old because of import laws, usually under 10k, again, if it wasn't right hand drive, I'd be on one, as opposed to any new SUV here.
In a way the Trax and Trailblazer that GM imports from their division in Korea kinda are the legacy of Geo. Adjusted for inflation the $6,700 base Metro in 1990 is $16,700 today, so not too far off a base of those models that goes for around $21K (for now). They are not going to last 300K miles, but probably 150K and change with maintenance done. Just basic transportation.

For the sake of discussion it would be interesting to see what a stripped down Chevy Trax or Ford Puma could be built for in America. Take away some of the tech that has been loaded on (backup cameras, collision alert, TPMS sensors to start), ease up the fuel economy requirements, and possibly even start deleting air bags and making it a little less crash worthy to bring the cost and weight down. What it if had a shorter warranty and less regulated with recall cost? Would it sell, or would it be lambasted as a sign of our decline making something one step removed from a Lada?
 

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We own a EV sedan. We installed a 240 v charger in our garage. The installation and equipment cost around $500. We have had the car for almost 8 mos. We have never been to a commercial charging station. It has a range of about 340 miles. We bought the Maverick as a second car and as our interstate vehicle. My calcs. suggest that the EV has reduced our "gas cost" about 60 %. The Maverick Hybrid replaced a 15 year old Volvo which was reasonably economical. I feel the fuel cost savings will be good, also.
 

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It looks like you’re not getting how this works:

Everyone charges their EV at home. If you have an EV, in most places, they have an EV rate plan that will give you cheaper electricity at night than is available to non-EV owners.

These night time rate plans make home charging cost less than half as much as charging at a supercharger station.

imagine if your options for fueling your Maverick were 1) go into town and pay $3 a gallon for gas at the gas station, or 2) let the utility company install underground pipes to you house for zero cost and then pump your own gas at your house for $1.50 a gallon. Who would go to the gas station? No one. Well, except when going on a road trip, where you didn’t have the ability to get back to your house to pump it for cheap.

That is how it works owning an EV. So it doesn’t matter if you are rural. And your claim that there is zero infrastructure to charge, is just plain wrong. You have electricity going to your house right? 99.99% of all American homes have electricity. If you have electricity, you have the infrastructure to charge an EV. You just need to install a charger, which is not super complicated and can be done by an electrician in under 30 minutes.

And you don’t need supercharger stations by your house. You don’t even need supercharger stations within 100 miles of your house because you have enough range to get further than that. And if you are close to your house, you want to be charging at home to save $.

So, even if you live in rural NW Penn, the furthest that a charger will be from you is 70 miles. And once you get on the interstate system, there are chargers every 60 miles.
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I'm in one of the vacant parts.

Further, I'll never sit and wait to charge for 20 minutes.

Never, not happening, enjoy yours, but I'll stick to a gasoline hybrid.

How long can an EV keep the heat on if you need to utilize it in a blizzard, and stuck scenario?

Hours?

A day?

Stuck at camp and the power goes out, and there is no cell service?

Leaving Key West in a hurricane?

I can get almost 600 miles on a tank, and 400 more with two Jerry cans.

With 12 cans I could get home.

You keep your EV, no thanks.
 

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We own a EV sedan. We installed a 240 v charger in our garage. The installation and equipment cost around $500. We have had the car for almost 8 mos. We have never been to a commercial charging station. It has a range of about 340 miles. We bought the Maverick as a second car and as our interstate vehicle. My calcs. suggest that the EV has reduced our "gas cost" about 60 %. The Maverick Hybrid replaced a 15 year old Volvo which was reasonably economical. I feel the fuel cost savings will be good, also.
Exactly this. The people that knock it (EV’s), most likely haven’t tried it. Once they try it, they almost always like it.
 

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Covid Response:
  • Where a mask, or even two. (unless you are at baseball game sitting right next to your buddy, or getting your hair done when salons were shut down) So trap the virus in your face all day long. Remember the viral load?? You got sicker each passing day. You make was a petri dish.
  • Today, you are our heros, tomorrow you are fired (my body my choice, I thought)
  • If you get the vaccine, you won't get covid - wrong. If you get the vaccine, you won't transmit covid - wrong again.
  • 6 feet apart. Completely made up
  • Wipe down everything, even your mail. Oops, it doesn't live on surfaces after all.
  • Let's fog the heck out of everything. Oh wait, why do we have compromised respiratory conditions (RSV, etc) showing up now
  • Never knew so many 40-50 year old having clotting, strokes, and heart issues.
  • I think we listened to plenty of politicians and plenty of people with medical knowledge.
We listened to all of them, and I am pretty sure we already experienced a world of hurt (in the form of a forced error). Starting with lies about the origins.
You forgot one............ If you get the vaccine, you may still get covid, but are less likely to die. This is/was sort of important to a lot of people . Careful when you pick and choose the points you present.
 

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Did you know before we has income taxes, tariffs filled the role.

We were taxing other countries to allow them to do business here.

As for the Mavericks role, build it here, pay AMERICANS, and you eliminate the effects of the tariffs, don't you?

America first, if I pay more to save our country, and jobs come back, I'll take it.
IF, that really is a big word isn't it...........
 
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Exactly this. The people that knock it (EV’s), most likely haven’t tried it. Once they try it, they almost always like it.
I ask EV drivers all the time if they like their EV and ALL say they will never go back to gas vehicles. Hard to believe but today there are more EV charging stations/plug-ins than gas pumps. Most of my neighbors are driving EV Nissan Leafs or Teslas. Most Tesla owners don't care for Elon Musk but like his cars.

Most Nissan dealers locally build the customer's electric charger installation into the price of the Leaf.
 
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Further, I'll never sit and wait to charge for 20 minutes.
Here’s the thing, I used to spend more time at gas stations than I ever do at EV charging stations. I do 25-28k miles per year for work commute. I had to gas up twice a week. I timed my gas stops and I averaged 10 minutes from leaving the freeway to entering after filling up. I work 48 weeks per year. 10 x 2 x 48 =960 = 16 hours wasted getting gas each year.

With the EV, I come home, plug in my EV and walk away from it. When I leave for work the next morning, it is full. Without fail. When I EV road trip to see my parents, 1,800 miles round trip, I spend a total of 4 hours at charging stations for the entire trip. The rest of the year, I never go to superchargers. So I’m spending 4 hours per year charging my EV vs 16 hours per year at gas stations.

As far as natural disasters go, sure, all kinds of bad shit can happen. Hell, if you slide you car off into the ditch, nose first on an icy road and take out the radiator, you have zero cabin heating. 🤷‍♂️ However in the 3 years I’ve been driving an EV, I’ve had zero issues that would make me shy away from continuing to buy and drive EV’s.

I do still use my Maverick for towing and off-roading and for most road trips. EV’s do have their weaknesses. So I just use the EV where I can capitalize on its strengths.
 

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Gee, I wish Weathertech made a Bible. I would have purchased one from them. (I bet it would have been cheaper!)
Oh, but it would not have been gold................and the greatest, and the most readable, and the most accurate, and the most blessed, and etc. Get em while you can!!!!!!
 
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