Maverick Resale Value and the Hybrid Recall?

[rrcobler]

My thinking is that if one has a Mav hybrid and has had Ford service address all of the recall issues then the demand for his vehicle will remain high. Doesn't really matter in my case as I will be keeping my '22 Mav Lariat Hybrid (HPR) until the wheels fall off.

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[K5Blazer]

Never selling mine, don’t care.

 

[RR - All the way]

Never selling mine, don’t care.

Sort of like staying in the frying pay to avoid the fire?????

 

[Grumpa]

Never selling mine, don’t care.

I am not going to sell mine either (if I ever get!) Since the advent of Maverick price increases we should be in good shape! I traded a 2020 Kona and got almost as much as I paid or it when I bought my 2022 Civic! COVID created many strange things. Especially having to pay msrp.

 

[Red Ryder]

The values are remaining high thus far. I don't fear the fire, it is a bummer not knowing whether the potential crank defect will rear it's ugly head down the road (literally). My bigger frustration was never getting the harness addressed. The dealerships are still wanting to inspect it prior, at least in some cases.

 

[K5Blazer]

I sold a '22 Escape Hybrid 2 months before my letter came. I had no faith in the Hybrid and I won't revisit that thought until something like the Maverick comes in AWD with 4K tow and even then I'm thinking it will be many years and hopefully a final year model on a 2nd gen version. Reason is, I'm happy with the Ecoboost. This was a calculated decision; not just me placing an order when the hype of a new model showed up. I'm still getting 28 MPG even after adding 245/65R17's and I chose the heaviest ones with the least amount of revolutions per mile - the KO2's. While I enjoyed the Hybrid at the pump, I had less faith in that system than I do pretty much ANY regular setup that can get an average of 30mpg (stock) without even trying. I don't have to worry about my battery drain in the cold or the engine trying to maintain operating temp, or the heat killing the range either. It get's up to operating temp, stays there, and runs. Winter blend fuel is another discussion and can be said the same for the Hybrids.

People seem to think that Ecoboost owners on this forum assume they have the most reliable setup of all time. Not true. We know it's faults and shortcomings and it's still less than the Hybrid. That's all. It's not a personal thing, it's not a vendetta against Hybrid tech... it's not being a "Luddite". It's simply reliability for this model. Some of ya'll just make things personal and some of us grow tired of the mentality and the way you conduct yourself like it's a Facebook comment section. Consider me unfriendly, I couldn't care less. But I've had more friendly discussions than unfriendly ones here; it just so happens every unfriendly one so far has been with a Hybrid owner taking things way to personal. Why am I saying this? Because it's about to get real when you run the numbers and look at it for the risk it is, not just some random failure.

If you go back to when the Hybrids first came out, there are threads making fun of EB owners for their recalls... my my my how the tables have turned. The only EB to catch fire so far has been due to user error in overfilling the oil and then adding more upon seeing it leaking. S.M.H... And they were dumb enough to admit it publicly hoping anyone would blame FORD for it. Instant backfire.

Hopefully no Hybrids catch fire, but it doesn't change the gravity of the recall itself. This isn't just a transmission grenading itself, or a CV failure, this is FORD admitting the engine will likely fail and worse case scenario - set fire to your vehicle. If this was a house, would you still want to sleep in it knowing having the air/heat on could blow up at any moment? We know there are so many drivers on the road that are so negligent. They drive with bad tires, no lights, unsafe equipment all around and now they are in a vehicle that can catch fire while driving. That is not only a risk to themselves, but other drivers as well.

But if you look beyond the Mavericks, the Escape Hybrids with the same setup get the same recall thus doubling the amount of vehicles having the same issues. Is that the case for the Ecoboosts? Nope. I think the more important information would be how many of these Hybrids were produced vs. how many are at risk. The only thing I've seen asked so far is - how many are actually effected. Well, we will never know an exact number, but to gauge it, having those production numbers vs. the estimated number of effected vehicles would help.

The Math:
I believe the number being reported is for both Mavericks and Escapes currently, and it's something like 125,000? FORD only produced 137,00 TOTAL Escapes last year, and 74,000 Mavericks. That includes ALL models. Now account for half the year in 2023 with the same yearly estimate (so 68k and 37k so far) and you get roughly 316,000 vehicles on all models produced. 125,000 is what percentage of that? Roughly 40%. That is a HUGE number and that is across ALL models including the non hybrids - which means that number is even bigger when you factor in the production numbers for Hybrids alone. Does it make a little more sense now? Feel free to check my math. If anyone has the production numbers for Hybrids alone, I'd be glad to run those numbers to, but I don't think you'll like the answer.

Getting back to the market - it really won't change anything. Downside of where we are as a society, or even as a world if you want to look at it that way. Supply and demand. Good for sellers, bad for buyers. Also factor in the amount of clueless consumers in any market and that's why snake oil sells so well.

I hope this provides some clarity on my stance so far on this forum, but you can check the math and it's pretty hard to argue once you see it that way. I'd love to be optimistic about it, but with numbers that high and my personal experience with a vehicle on that list, it's not exactly the smartest move. Consider me privileged to look at it from the outside in an Ecoboost now, just don't take it personal. It's an objective train of thought backed by the math.

You are investing in vehicles that have a very great risk and a high chance of failure. I apologize if that offends you in any way, but since I was one of them not long ago, it shouldn't. I made that mistake with the F150 3V's and you can ask anyone with knowledge about FORDs how bad those were and why they are still regarded as on if the biggest failures. FordTechMakULoco will likely be covering the 2.5L issues soon enough... And those Triton setups are what made that channel. Again, hopefully it changes.

I love the Maverick and I have plenty of positive things to say about Hybrids, but reliability across these models isn't one of them.

Wow!
How long did it take you to come up with that?

Try this;
”Hi, I’m a bitter former hybrid owner who is jealous of the ridiculously good MPGs you hybrid owners make. I dismiss and naysay anything good about any modification MPG improvement claims anyone says about aerodynamic aids like spoilers despite the fact that I admit I know nothing about aerodynamics.

I am having second thoughts about going ecoboost but am trying to make myself feel better by dissing you hybrid guys. Not sure if it’s working or not but I’ll keep trying”

See how easy that was?

Funny thing is, the hybrid owners don’t belittle the EB owners much at all, most of us mind our own business and don’t interject our thoughts into EB threads.

On another note, What kind of MPG are getting with your brick?

 

[BradnChristine]

I'll sell mine in 2025 only if there's an AWD hybrid that is towable. Other than that, I'm good for years. I really don't care what someone else thinks it is worth.

 

[Billkowski]

I sold a '22 Escape Hybrid 2 months before my letter came. I had no faith in the Hybrid and I won't revisit that thought until something like the Maverick comes in AWD with 4K tow and even then I'm thinking it will be many years and hopefully a final year model on a 2nd gen version. Reason is, I'm happy with the Ecoboost. This was a calculated decision; not just me placing an order when the hype of a new model showed up. I'm still getting 28 MPG even after adding 245/65R17's and I chose the heaviest ones with the least amount of revolutions per mile - the KO2's. While I enjoyed the Hybrid at the pump, I had less faith in that system than I do pretty much ANY regular setup that can get an average of 30mpg (stock) without even trying. I don't have to worry about my battery drain in the cold or the engine trying to maintain operating temp, or the heat killing the range either. It get's up to operating temp, stays there, and runs. Winter blend fuel is another discussion and can be said the same for the Hybrids.

People seem to think that Ecoboost owners on this forum assume they have the most reliable setup of all time. Not true. We know it's faults and shortcomings and it's still less than the Hybrid. That's all. It's not a personal thing, it's not a vendetta against Hybrid tech... it's not being a "Luddite". It's simply reliability for this model. Some of ya'll just make things personal and some of us grow tired of the mentality and the way you conduct yourself like it's a Facebook comment section. Consider me unfriendly, I couldn't care less. But I've had more friendly discussions than unfriendly ones here; it just so happens every unfriendly one so far has been with a Hybrid owner taking things way to personal. Why am I saying this? Because it's about to get real when you run the numbers and look at it for the risk it is, not just some random failure.

If you go back to when the Hybrids first came out, there are threads making fun of EB owners for their recalls... my my my how the tables have turned. The only EB to catch fire so far has been due to user error in overfilling the oil and then adding more upon seeing it leaking. S.M.H... And they were dumb enough to admit it publicly hoping anyone would blame FORD for it. Instant backfire.

Hopefully no Hybrids catch fire, but it doesn't change the gravity of the recall itself. This isn't just a transmission grenading itself, or a CV failure, this is FORD admitting the engine will likely fail and worse case scenario - set fire to your vehicle. If this was a house, would you still want to sleep in it knowing having the air/heat on could blow up at any moment? We know there are so many drivers on the road that are so negligent. They drive with bad tires, no lights, unsafe equipment all around and now they are in a vehicle that can catch fire while driving. That is not only a risk to themselves, but other drivers as well.

But if you look beyond the Mavericks, the Escape Hybrids with the same setup get the same recall thus doubling the amount of vehicles having the same issues. Is that the case for the Ecoboosts? Nope. I think the more important information would be how many of these Hybrids were produced vs. how many are at risk. The only thing I've seen asked so far is - how many are actually effected. Well, we will never know an exact number, but to gauge it, having those production numbers vs. the estimated number of effected vehicles would help.

The Math:
I believe the number being reported is for both Mavericks and Escapes currently, and it's something like 125,000? FORD only produced 137,00 TOTAL Escapes last year, and 74,000 Mavericks. That includes ALL models. Now account for half the year in 2023 with the same yearly estimate (so 68k and 37k so far) and you get roughly 316,000 vehicles on all models produced. 125,000 is what percentage of that? Roughly 40%. That is a HUGE number and that is across ALL models including the non hybrids - which means that number is even bigger when you factor in the production numbers for Hybrids alone. Does it make a little more sense now? Feel free to check my math. If anyone has the production numbers for Hybrids alone, I'd be glad to run those numbers to, but I don't think you'll like the answer.

Getting back to the market - it really won't change anything. Downside of where we are as a society, or even as a world if you want to look at it that way. Supply and demand. Good for sellers, bad for buyers. Also factor in the amount of clueless consumers in any market and that's why snake oil sells so well.

I hope this provides some clarity on my stance so far on this forum, but you can check the math and it's pretty hard to argue once you see it that way. I'd love to be optimistic about it, but with numbers that high and my personal experience with a vehicle on that list, it's not exactly the smartest move. Consider me privileged to look at it from the outside in an Ecoboost now, just don't take it personal. It's an objective train of thought backed by the math.

You are investing in vehicles that have a very great risk and a high chance of failure. I apologize if that offends you in any way, but since I was one of them not long ago, it shouldn't. I made that mistake with the F150 3V's and you can ask anyone with knowledge about FORDs how bad those were and why they are still regarded as on if the biggest failures. FordTechMakULoco will likely be covering the 2.5L issues soon enough... And those Triton setups are what made that channel. Again, hopefully it changes.

I love the Maverick and I have plenty of positive things to say about Hybrids, but reliability across these models isn't one of them.

Good write up, my thought processes on which one to get was more juvenile, 25% less horsepower with the Hybrid was a non starter, now if they made a performance hybrid that added to the performance I would probably be willing to take that risk.

 

[Montana]

Good write up, my thought processes on which one to get was more juvenile, 25% less horsepower with the Hybrid was a non starter, now if they made a performance hybrid that added to the performance I would probably be willing to take that risk.

I thought the hybrid would be not so impressive in the performance department as well, but that was not one of my complaints with it after driving it. Paired with that CVT, it got up there quick. I was actually impressed by that much in the Hybrids. Again, this was on an Escape, but there should be no difference when comparing to a Maverick as far as the getup n' go department is lol. Maverick may be a bit heavier and longer but from the reports of other Hybrid Maverick users, it sounds about like my experience with the Escape. I wouldn't rule that 2.5L out entirely, especially for the daily driving. If you need to pass someone it will certainly git'r'done.

 

[Montana]

Wow!
How long did it take you to come up with that?

Try this;
”Hi, I’m a bitter former hybrid owner who is jealous of the ridiculously good MPGs you hybrid owners make. I dismiss and naysay anything good about any modification MPG improvement claims anyone says about aerodynamic aids like spoilers despite the fact that I admit I know nothing about aerodynamics.

I am having second thoughts about going ecoboost but am trying to make myself feel better by dissing you hybrid guys. Not sure if it’s working or not but I’ll keep trying”

See how easy that was?

Funny thing is, the hybrid owners don’t belittle the EB owners much at all, most of us mind our own business and don’t interject our thoughts into EB threads.

On another note, What kind of MPG are getting with your brick?

You call me bitter with a response like that? Bruh... get a life.

Feel free to check the math or check yourself out of this conversation. It wasn't even a "diss". Not that I didn't see this coming a mile away with your responses on this forum and towards me. You clearly have your assumptions prioritizing your feelings and cannot control your emotions before posting.

What an uneducated and pathetic attempt you just made to direct insults at me through ad hominem. Tell me you didn't comprehend anything I said without telling me you didn't bother making an effort to comprehend any of it (even the positives I said apparently)...

If you are going to come in here, a thread started by an Ecoboost owner, and defend your Hybrids honor, at least do it without resulting to ad hominem, taking it personal and doing exactly what you are criticizing me of doing (which I never did to anyone - you clearly just didn't read and don't like the facts I'm stating).

P.S. - You don't "interject" yourself on the thoughtful discussions, beit EB or Hybrid because you have nothing of value to add other than opinionated responses. But it didn't seem to stop you on this thread... Interject yourself into threads where you are more useful - like how to apply a 3M adhesive spoiler. It's no wonder you didn't understand anything I said with responses like "Don't care, never selling". Real quality stuff...

 

[Red Ryder]

All the fuel economy in the world is meaningless to me vs. reliability.

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