Lincoln corsair headrest upgrade

[FischAutoTechGarten]

no issue-the only reason for the switch was the static headrest just to far forward for me

Might do this as well.. I find they push my head forward too much as well..

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[jorl]

Try turning it around see how it feels.
It's not "THAT" dramatic of a difference.

yeah...no.

 

[Phimosis]

It's still 10x better than no headrest, which is the alternative. The Ford headrest design is painfully far forward for most upright sitters. I've been in plenty of vehicles that you can have an upright posture in and still have a comfortable headrest that doesn't force your head to tilt downward.

Look at the attached picture, that tilt on the stock headrest in the passenger seat is insane... the seat is actually C-shaped.

Ford’s design is not “painfully far forward”. It is the same as every other manufacturer. This designed has been required by CFR 571.202a. It requires a headrest backset of no more than 50 mm at a seat recline of 25 degrees from vertical, which is what the average driver sets their seat to.

Research has shown that reducing the maximum backset from 100 mm to 50 mm results in nearly 50% reduction in spine injuries.

Sure, 10% of people will complain about this being uncomfortable and try to circumvent the law, similar to people that ride motorcycles without helmets, or drive cars without their seat belts attached, but the other 90% of us are like “thank you for forcing auto manufacturers to incorporate the safest designs, as determined by scientific research.”

 

[Phimosis]

Look at the attached picture, that tilt on the stock headrest in the passenger seat is insane... the seat is actually C-shaped.

The C shape is not insane. Not having the C shape is insane. Because the upright position of older car seat headrests turns people into quadriplegics.

 

[Ryom]

Ford’s design is not “painfully far forward”. It is the same as every other manufacturer. This designed has been required by CFR 571.202a. It requires a headrest backset of no more than 50 mm at a seat recline of 25 degrees from vertical, which is what the average driver sets their seat to.

Research has shown that reducing the maximum backset from 100 mm to 50 mm results in nearly 50% reduction in spine injuries.

Sure, 10% of people will complain about this being uncomfortable and try to circumvent the law, similar to people that ride motorcycles without helmets, or drive cars without their seat belts attached, but the other 90% of us are like “thank you for forcing auto manufacturers to incorporate the safest designs, as determined by scientific research.”

If we're that concerned we can mandate HANS devices too. Look, safety regs were and are frequently still based on average MALE build. That means that women suffer more serious injuries in vehicle accidents, so 50% of the population right off the bat is out of luck. Women would frequently move the shoulder strap behind themselves due to the older designs cutting into their anatomy. The simple truth is that a non-ideal safety device is FAR superior to a saftey device that gets bypassed.

Since we aren't mandating roll cages, helmets, HANS devices, and 5-point harnesses, we've already admitted that we're willing to make comfort a priority over total safety. Modern vehicles should be able to adjust to 95% of the population, not 95% of 50% of the population.

Technical argument aside, I've BEEN INSIDE modern vehicles (Chevy, Dodge, Subaru) that DO adjust comfortably to my preferred seating position. So it's quite possible to meet the spec without having the ridiculous headrests Ford uses.

 

[Ryom]

The rear headrests in Ford C-Max work in rear of maverick. Not sure about front seats. But trying rear headrest in Mav front seats would tell you something

The rear headrests do not fit the front seats, the legs are too close together.

 

[Red Rover]

Apologies if this has been covered before, I didn't search to see.

Well I wasn't happy to find the 25 Lariat had fixed 2 way headrests. The angle was too severe and the top of the headrest hit my head at an uncomfortable angle. Lots of other threads on this.

My first thought was to buy a 4 way maverick headrest from the old 22-24 luxury package and swap covers. But they're hard to come by, and seem to be overpriced. Plus they're still Maverick quality padding. Well, Escape parts are known to work, but only small percentage of top trim had 4 way adjustable headrests. But the Lincoln Corsair is escape based so....

I searched a bunch of corsair headrests on ebay and car-part.com. I found a pair that were 4 way adjustable with a very similar profile to the mav. And reasonably priced. I rolled the dice and ordered. They fit the mav perfectly. The covers swapped over with almost no wrinkles, I think they will settle in.
The adjustable is just different enough to be much more comfortable. I still have it all the way upright. The profile is slightly different for the better. It contacts my head evenly instead of just the top pushing uncomfortably. And the big bonus, the lincoln has a second softer foam inset in the front. So much better!

Since the maverick cover is 2 way, you wouldn't want to be adjusting it often. The 4 way covers have slots for the posts, the 2 way covers have holes. But I don't plan to move them.

And, I put the lincoln leather back on the maverick headrests, I can resell those. (With full disclosure, not screwing anybody)

All in all, I would have paid a lot more for this upgrade, but I wasn't sure it was going to work. It cost me $120 and I can still sell the other headrests. If you try it, be aware there are a few different profiles of corsair headrests. I'm also not sure if the activex headrest differs from the cloth. Just find one that looks like yours and go for it!

The first pic is both headrests with no cover. Note the foam insert on the lincoln.

Second pic is both maverick headrests, one original and one converted, and the tan lincoln headrest. Last 2 pics are the installed converted headrests.

 

[Red Rover]

If we're that concerned we can mandate HANS devices too. Look, safety regs were and are frequently still based on average MALE build. That means that women suffer more serious injuries in vehicle accidents, so 50% of the population right off the bat is out of luck. Women would frequently move the shoulder strap behind themselves due to the older designs cutting into their anatomy. The simple truth is that a non-ideal safety device is FAR superior to a saftey device that gets bypassed.

Since we aren't mandating roll cages, helmets, HANS devices, and 5-point harnesses, we've already admitted that we're willing to make comfort a priority over total safety. Modern vehicles should be able to adjust to 95% of the population, not 95% of 50% of the population.

Technical argument aside, I've BEEN INSIDE modern vehicles (Chevy, Dodge, Subaru) that DO adjust comfortably to my preferred seating position. So it's quite possible to meet the spec without having the ridiculous headrests Ford uses.

 

[Red Rover]

Thanks to everyone for your help and encouragement that there is a solution somewhere. I'm not that good at researching and finding things, but driving without headrests is not the best solution. I already have some neck issues that we finally getting better, but a passenger in my Mav was complaining, and she doesn't have neck problems. It was extremely uncomfortable to her. I was in tears after a three hour drive. If I don't spend the money on a better headrest, I will spend it on PT, so I hope to find a decent headrest, It's a little far back turned around. Maybe adding a pillow.
I love this MTC. Ford employees don't seem to know much about things.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Thanks to everyone for your help and encouragement that there is a solution somewhere. I'm not that good at researching and finding things, but driving without headrests is not the best solution. I already have some neck issues that we finally getting better, but a passenger in my Mav was complaining, and she doesn't have neck problems. It was extremely uncomfortable to her. I was in tears after a three hour drive. If I don't spend the money on a better headrest, I will spend it on PT, so I hope to find a decent headrest, It's a little far back turned around. Maybe adding a pillow.
I love this MTC. Ford employees don't seem to know much about things.

Maybe a pillow like this would work.

 

[Red Rover]

If we're that concerned we can mandate HANS devices too. Look, safety regs were and are frequently still based on average MALE build. That means that women suffer more serious injuries in vehicle accidents, so 50% of the population right off the bat is out of luck. Women would frequently move the shoulder strap behind themselves due to the older designs cutting into their anatomy. The simple truth is that a non-ideal safety device is FAR superior to a saftey device that gets bypassed.

Since we aren't mandating roll cages, helmets, HANS devices, and 5-point harnesses, we've already admitted that we're willing to make comfort a priority over total safety. Modern vehicles should be able to adjust to 95% of the population, not 95% of 50% of the population.

Technical argument aside, I've BEEN INSIDE modern vehicles (Chevy, Dodge, Subaru) that DO adjust comfortably to my preferred seating position. So it's quite possible to meet the spec without having the ridiculous headrests Ford uses.

 

[Red Rover]

My feeling is if the Lariat trim has a front and back adjustment, why can't the lower trims have it without the leather, so it could be standard or a slight upgrade. And like you said, if other manufacturers can make a headrest that does not cause pain, why can't Ford? I drove today with the headrest turned around. It's nice to not have pain. I am all for safety and follow safety rules. I just hope to find a compromise. Thanks for your input.

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