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I dunno that I can put an exact % on it but I can say that in this situation, the best deals that could be found were no where near worth it to me to go out of state. - The best deal I've seen is 4% off invoice. On my build, that would've saved me a grand total of around $1,100 over X Plan with...

Yep, OTOH? I'm from the Midwest and have spent some down further SE, they drive like they're in perpetual slow motion there, lols. Always fun to see folks from those types areas get on their high horse and wag their fingers at the way folks from other types of areas drive. They are so clueless...

LOL, you weren't asking me but in Phoenix, going ONLY 15 mph over here, even in the fast lane, will get you honked and flipped off most of the time.

Lariat with moonroof and lux package here.

I've lost count of how many new vehicles I've bought over the years but I DO know that I it's been 4 years since I've bought, so I've never bought one in this newer, more add on happy market, so I think it's an EXTRA helpful reminder these days. Man, what we called sleazy dealer moves back in...

Man, those upgraded wheels look much better in these pics than previous pics I've seen. ALMOST makes me wanna go back and change the order again to re-add them, lol. Thanks for posting these, the F150 comparo pic is golden.

Lariat hybrid with an order date of 7/14 for me. My current daily driver wasn't recently totaled but it's got a hideous peeling paint problem, so I'm gonna offload it in the next couple weeks while I can still get a good offer on it due to the crazy used car market. I won't be carless then but I...

Yep, I'd guess it's all that and a touch of black magic, lol.

Not sure if it's still happening down there but it has migrated north to Phoenix. I've definitely heard of that package. :LOL:

They might in some but sure don't seem to in me. My Escape has a ton of electric safety sensor features but I never really miss them when I hop in my Vette that has none. I WILL admit to really liking rear sensors, they definitely make it way easier to account for people speeding through parking...

No Cactus Grey? Obviously, the fix is in for Area 51. :LOL:

Definitely a no brainer. How some dealerships can get away with operating like this is beyond me.

Just once, earlier this afternoon. Bailed on the hard roll up tonneau (to try my luck with the aftermarket waters) and to cancel upgraded 18" black Lariat wheels (cuz XLT take offs would still look soooooooo much better).

Oh. I was trying to give you a little benefit of the doubt there but thanks for wiping away any possibility of a generous interpretation of your comments. Sounds like you have a really varied and balanced view of the world; I bet you're a blast to hang out with! :cool: (y)

And by sheep, you actually mean "Only people with a differing set of priorities than I would live in a place I wouldn't"? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

While I never grew up in or around one, I'm neither a fan of the the false sense of security they provide, nor the inflated egos they appear to create in oh, so many folks without hobbies. So I did the same thing when we bought, HOA was a definite non starter for us. This thread reminds me of...

This seems to be the common POV, which I share. Shame that they put the ugliest wheels on the most expensive trim.

No clue on the regional ad fees but I think holdback is 3% of MSRP.

At least in CA, it's definitely illegal but it's not like the real world repercussions are too severe; just means you wouldn't pass smog without some creativity. I mean, it's also illegal to run without catalytic converters but I can name a TON of licensed, smog passing cars I know of that...

Oh, I assumed so; just thought others might read it differently. (y)