I've had better nights! Maverick hit @ 1K miles 😔

[jsus]

OP absolutely deserved to lose his truck - my wife fully agrees.

You forgot the cardinal rule of driving: you can never predict what the other guy will do - if you keep that in mind he will never surprise you.

See - every time I get in my car I assume everyone is going to try and hit me. Everyone will run a red light. Everyone will back out of their parking space without looking. Every kid will dart out from behind a bush. Everyone will rear end me. The guy behind me doesnt see the traffic coming to a stop.

Can you avoid everything? Absolutely not - but the stuff you can avoid, and you choose not to - thats on you pedro.

Might be time to roll that slow paco. Hopefully no one got hurt, and that you've got insurance and shit.

Edit: read a few posts above me. apparently some of ya'll snackas is missing the point.

<the point> If you could avoid it, and you chose not to, thats on you. "how dare he do something he shouldnt do in front of me ra ra ra". </ the point>

i mean - he could be at fault - he could get ticketed - but you've got the wrecked truck and the blemished cartfax.

i would never post the video thinking i was somehow wronged - id be too ashamed to do so.

love you bud wise up.

Yep, taking responsibility for your own safety and well-being, and those of your passengers, to say nothing of the other people on the road and those who care about them? That concept is lost on so many people as evidenced in this thread.

Would’ve thought that self-preservation was a natural instinct but maybe that’s just me.

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[landscpdesgnr]

I've watched the video a number of times now and decided to add my 2 cents to the general discussion.
My statements and observation (and opinion) at based on looking at video time between 2-10 seconds and this what I noticed.

There's a sign on the right side of the road indicating a entry road on the right (George St) from which the Jeep will enter the highway. So I looked up Indiana state rules about sign placement and according to the document from 2008 Warning Signs, it states that Warning signs will be place 325ft back what they are warning on highways with speeds up to 55mph.
(In Indiana, Warning signs should be placed so that they provide adequate PIEV time. The distances contained in Table 2C-4 are for guidance purposes and should be applied with engineering judgment
https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/design/mutcd/pubs/a05Ch2C(Final2008).pdf)
The total time needed to perceive and complete a reaction to a sign is the sum of the times necessary for Perception, Identification (understanding), Emotion (decision making), and Volition (execution of decision), and is called the PIEV time. The PIEV time can vary from several seconds for general warning signs to 6 seconds or more for warning signs requiring high road user judgment. This is from an OSHA document I found, from 2000 so the 6 second standard might have changed since then.

I also noticed there's roughly 3 telephones between the warning sign and where the side road enters the highway. Google states the average distance between poles are 125 feet apart or 300 feet apart in rural areas. Looking at them I think 125 feet apart, which would equal out to roughly 375 feet. This also would work with the warning sign distance of 325 ft.

OP stated the speed limit was 55mph for this road, but he was going over so I'm going with 60mph. That means he was covering 88ft per second. So that would mean that if saw the Jeep pulling out at 3 second mark he would have 7 seconds until impact. In that 7 seconds he will cover 616 feet, nearly twice the distance he has available. Driver reaction time is listed at near 1 second. In the 4 second mark the Jeep is clearly entering the highway. At the 6 second the Jeep has fully entered the lane of the OP and the 7 second mark OP starts to move to the left lane because it appears the Jeep will stay in the right lane not coming up to speed, in fact the Jeeps brake light are on indicating slowing instead of accelerating. Between second 7 and 8 the Jeep has clearly moved towards the left lane. Keep in mind that reaction time is around 1 second. I don't think there was enough time for OP to react base on the what he was seeing the Jeep do. Because the Jeep pulled into his lane at a slow speed it appears his normal reaction was to move to the left lane and pass by the Jeep, however, by time mark 7 seconds the Jeep was now appearing to move towards the left lane, leaving OP 3 or less second to react, one of those seconds will be used to react. Just looking at the video I don't think the OP had time to stop safely because of the mixed signals the Jeep driver gave off. It appears the Jeep was just pulling out into the right lane, but then decided to attempt an illegal U-turn by which time OP was too close to stop or fully avoid the Jeep. In my opinion OP was more right than wrong.
This is just my opinion based on what information I could gather from the video. My observation are my own and not meant to sway anyone's opinion one way or the other. My math maybe off, I sucked at math, but I did try to make sure my equations were correct.
Lastly, as someone who's been riding motorcycles for nearly 20 years, this accident is one of the top reasons motorcyclist are hit by cars. People entering a road to make a left turn (the Jeep would have turned left if the barrier wasn't there). The number one excuse is, "I didn't see the bike". I learned that maxim from day 1 of riding, bikes are invisible to cars. I ride each day with that in mind. If I was traveling down this road as the OP was but on my bike, as soon as I spotted that Jeep I would have done two things, first is wiggle my bike thereby changing my position slightly, which makes my LED headlight move around. We humans track movement with our eyes, so by moving my headlight around I'm hoping to catch the attention of the Jeep driver. However I don't rely on that. The second thing I would already been doing is let off my throttle, which would've started me slowing down, and I have would be covering the front and rear brake ready for use, possibly even applying front brake already. I would do all of the that because I naturally would assume that the Jeep doesn't see me. My motorcycle skills translate over to my cage (car) driving. I drive like others can't see. I'm relating all of this not to sound like I'm better than OP or other drivers, I state this because of this fact, other drivers don't always see, care about you, or are concerned about your well-being. It's upon us to take care of everyone in our vehicle, be it 2-wheeled or 4.
You're opinion will vary and as a 26 year Vet I'm glad we have a country in which we can share those opinions.

Damn you are more analytical than me!!!

 

[Delzona]

Damn you are more analytical than me!!!

Thanks!

 

[austinzone]

Damn you are more analytical than me!!!

sorry - just in my head - here is probably what happened:





close? thoughts?

 

[landscpdesgnr]

OP glad no one was hurt, hopefully you don't have any residual pains. I read through 50% of the replies and having been hit 2x head on at high rates of speed, once backed into in a parking lot and two little bumps from behind at traffic lights, in the moment accidents happen, everyone can react differently. My own personal driving philosophy is to break sooner, unless there are vehicles on my tail. You may not have even had the distance to break though and given another second of swerving right-ward probably would have cleared the jeep's corner.

In one of my college runs I had 4 semesters of physics followed by a physics course where the topic was up to the professor. It happened that an American Eagle plane had recently crashed outside Chicago from wing icing and that spring semester we studied collisions of all sorts. I am obsessed w car collisions, what models, circumstances etc. obviously not as detailed as Delzona but enough to learn from them for sure. I also learned the forward collision breaking assist has to be on to engage on the Mav so I will make sure my husband knows that!

Hope your Mav gets repaired soon and please come back and let us know what insurance comes of this.

 

[Delzona]

OP glad no one was hurt, hopefully you don't have any residual pains. I read through 50% of the replies and having been hit 2x head on at high rates of speed, once backed into in a parking lot and two little bumps from behind at traffic lights, in the moment accidents happen, everyone can react differently. My own personal driving philosophy is to break sooner, unless there are vehicles on my tail. You may not have even had the distance to break though and given another second of swerving right-ward probably would have cleared the jeep's corner.

In one of my college runs I had 4 semesters of physics followed by a physics course where the topic was up to the professor. It happened that an American Eagle plane had recently crashed outside Chicago from wing icing and that spring semester we studied collisions of all sorts. I am obsessed w car collisions, what models, circumstances etc. obviously not as detailed as Delzona but enough to learn from them for sure. I also learned the forward collision breaking assist has to be on to engage on the Mav so I will make sure my husband knows that!

Hope your Mav gets repaired soon and please come back and let us know what insurance comes of this.

One of the things I'm taking away from the video is to make sure the collision breaking option, along any other safety features, are engaged before I leave the dealership!

 

[Prostate Heaven]

OP absolutely deserved to lose his truck - my wife fully agrees.

Yikes! I think you win the award for 'hottest take'. It's one thing to give a reality check on the OP's driving habits. It's another to just be plain mean.

Karma is a strange thing. I'd be careful out there. I suspect you're due for a rebalancing.

 

[eRock92]

I saw the the title and the number of pages in this thread and knew I was in for a dumpster fire. Gotta love the internet. lol

 

[stick]

Make sure you point out to the cops that she also didn't have her lane change signal on. Man, this is terrible...I've owned beaters all my life, had one accident, I'm sure that when I get my Mav that some idiot will plow into me and I'll just give up :{.

OP absolutely deserved to lose his truck - my wife fully agrees.

You forgot the cardinal rule of driving: you can never predict what the other guy will do - if you keep that in mind he will never surprise you.

See - every time I get in my car I assume everyone is going to try and hit me. Everyone will run a red light. Everyone will back out of their parking space without looking. Every kid will dart out from behind a bush. Everyone will rear end me. The guy behind me doesnt see the traffic coming to a stop.

Can you avoid everything? Absolutely not - but the stuff you can avoid, and you choose not to - thats on you pedro.

Might be time to roll that slow paco. Hopefully no one got hurt, and that you've got insurance and shit.

Edit: read a few posts above me. apparently some of ya'll snackas is missing the point.

<the point> If you could avoid it, and you chose not to, thats on you. "how dare he do something he shouldnt do in front of me ra ra ra". </ the point>

i mean - he could be at fault - he could get ticketed - but you've got the wrecked truck and the blemished cartfax.

i would never post the video thinking i was somehow wronged - id be too ashamed to do so.

love you bud - its better to win than be right.

So if I read this right:
-everytime a person drives up to a green light intersection, you should slow down enough to come to a complete stop before entering the intersection to avoid a car that decides to run the red light
-If you want to turn right at a stop sign and a car is driving past on the far lane, you should wait until both lanes are completely clear because the far lane car could suddenly swerve into your lane
-wait at 4 way stop signs until completely clear because one of the other 3 cars could suddenly drive through and hit you.
-you should pull off on a highway everytime a car comes from the opposite direction because it could swerve into you.

Point is we all make assumptions and have basic level of trust when driving. Bad drivers have done all the things I mentioned. But there is an element of trust on the road way. Your license says you understand the rules of the road to have earned the states trust. When the trust is broken, the license is taken away. We have to have trust, or we couldnt function. Im assuming you havent spent much time on high speed 4 lane highways because on non-access controlled highways, you have people entering and leaving all the time. You will spend more time stopping than going! What the Mav did is what is expected, to overtake the slower car in the passing lane. What the other car did was wrong and illegal. Pulling on to the highway and having a significantly slower speed than traffic? yep, expected. swerving directly into high speed traffic without signaling, let allow checking to see if it is clear? - not expected. If you watch the video again honestly, you will see there is no time to react when the jeep makes the first illegal move. There is a reason it is illegal to make a u-turn at that location. There is a reason it is illegal to change lanes without signaling. its all to help communicate intent to the other drivers. And I agree that defensive driving is first order of business. But there is a difference between driving completely oblivious to other drivers (like the jeep), and driving in a way that is so cautious, it is reckless (as you proposed) - and that causes accidents too.

 

[Prostate Heaven]

So if I read this right...

You didn't read it right. You got it all wrong.

Stop 'trusting' your fellow drivers. Don't do it.

A sizable percentage of them don't have a valid license to operate a motor vehicle. A sizable percentage of them are under the influence of drugs (whether illegal or by prescription). A sizable percentage are just oblivious and will assume they have the right of way (right or wrong) and make zero effort to avoid a collision. You even have some who are fraudsters and are going to INTENTIONALLY cause a collision.

Long story short: Proceed with caution. Stop 'trusting' and 'expecting' people do do things. You're putting yourself and everyone else on the road at great risk.

 

[05FordGT]

I have no dog in this fight, but I gotta say, you gotta love how a bunch of people here say they would have anticipated the actions of the Jeep driver. Like everyone who responded with blame for the OP, are some amazing drivers with racecar driver like reflexes. I'll go ahead and say it. NO ONE has those reflexes. And you don't know what you would do if you were in his situation until it happens.

One thing I would have definitely done was slow down once I saw the car pull in front of me. That's his first mistake, not slowing down and admitting he was going over the limit. I for one hate when people pass me going way faster than the limit on rural roads (ex. Making a left turn at a light and room to go around. Most go slow, but some yahoos keep their speed up). I hope it all works out for the OP but like others said, REMOVE your video (if you haven't done so already).

I was in a horrible accident years ago with my dealer demo. Dash cams were in their infancy (2012) so no video and they were expensive, but it was clear that I had the ROW (going straight though an intersection on green, with a car next to me going the same speed, which was under the limit) and the person who hit me made a left at 45mph. Totalled the car and I got a brain bleed, serious concussion and needed vestibular therapy for 6 weeks. So I'm familiar with how insurance companies work these. Other driver deemed 100% at fault by police and by their insurance company. But the process was a headache and nerve racking. Now I drive with a dash cam. If you don't have one, get one. It helps IMMENSELY.

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