Issues with Tariffs, both Mexico AND Canada [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS; MEMBERS ALREADY BANNED FOR IT]

[Edge Haley]

I have stated energy is different than goods. Energy is traded on the futures markets and we see the effects immediately. Goods are different. It is like they get an air shipment on oil, but they are always slow to come down. The markets set the price of oil and gas. OEMs will set the MSRP of vehicles. I guess there could be a few greedy dealers that try to take advantage of the situation. The point it, tariffs aren't placed on current inventory

I ship hundreds of thousands of dollars of computers to Mexico every year. Under discussions already underway with our customers, if tariffs take effect next week, we will have to literally pay an import tax upon delivery of computers "next week" at the airport when delivered, on products that are already in route, but not delivered.

Unlike the US government, Mexico can enforce a law/tariff within hours.

On another subject: Mexico requires that auto manufacturers that sell their vehicles in Mexico have to have an automotive manufacturing facility in Mexico, otherwise a 30 to 40% tariff. That's why Mercedes, Ford, Nissan, Mazda, VW, etc. etc. have factories in Mexico just to be able to sell their vehicles in Mexico... This trade agreement has been in effect for at least 20+ years....and not going away...or will be enforced by Mexico with import taxes.

US has some of these same trade agreement with auto makers. My and wife's Honda were made in Ohio, BMW Suv S. Carolina, VW made in Mexico. Porsche Cayman S in Finland., etc.

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[zen_]

Neither Mexico or Canada can afford a trade war with the U.S. Calm down Maverick buyers this is short term pain for long term gain. That gain can happen on many fronts which is a political discussion so that will be left aside but I predict any disruptions will be short lived.

I think you're forgetting Americans too, in who can afford sudden sharp inflation fueled by a trade war. I generally support a harder stance on immigration and reshoring manufacturing, but these are goals that will take many years to realize, and frankly shouldn't even be that divisive politically if done correctly.

The company I work for has an office and subsidiary in Canada that provides critical support a product used by many federal agencies that would take years to replace if it came to that. The thought of doing business with Canada becoming a morass and political minefield instead of easy is frankly shocking.

 

[Whitty1]

Answer : Cheap hydro electricity... like nowhere else on the planet

If you are generating it in the right location.

 

[Whitty1]

Ford executives' performance/pay and their own portfolios are related to stock prices. Stock prices are directly related to earnings. Ford can only "eat" so much of the tariffs and show profitability. Of course, one way to make up for tariff costs is to use cheaper goods in the manufacture of the vehicle. Like using a Camel battery from China installed in my 22 EB which is under recall.

As a consumer, you pay me now or pay me later. FACT: Tariffs are a hidden tax on consumers. Lower income families will pay proportionally more of their income on "tariff taxes" compared to the wealthy and the oligarchs who not only want more money, but more power!

Cut costs or raise prices or accept a lower profit margin. Those are the choices

 

[Whitty1]

Ford executives' performance/pay and their own portfolios are related to stock prices. Stock prices are directly related to earnings. Ford can only "eat" so much of the tariffs and show profitability. Of course, one way to make up for tariff costs is to use cheaper goods in the manufacture of the vehicle. Like using a Camel battery from China installed in my 22 EB which is under recall.

As a consumer, you pay me now or pay me later. FACT: Tariffs are a hidden tax on consumers. Lower income families will pay proportionally more of their income on "tariff taxes" compared to the wealthy and the oligarchs who not only want more money, but more power!

When the only tool you have is a hammer. Everything looks like a nail

 

[Packer Bill]

So you are saying that for once I will get a better price then the dealer will pay (or Ford)?

I am not quite sure what you are asking. Once you sign the sales agreement both you and the dealer are locked into Ford's system. If the price goes before the actual purchase, Ford reimburses the dealer for any price change. Some dealers are dishonest and will not tell the customer this information and will double dip by collecting the price increase from the customer and getting reimbursed by Ford.

 

[johnny99]

There are over 300 ports of entry. A lot of them airports usually named like Podunk, State international airport.
You can find them here if I copied link correctly. For Maverick on rail car with a non port of entry destination it would be considered imported there if it clears customs there. Do the trains go somewhere and spend a day or week or ? There to clear customs?
https://www.cbp.gov/about/contact/ports
ETA: MIDLOTHIAN TX IS Not port of entry, I thought it was. It's only a large rail port business park.

OK that helps thanks. I assumed they were cleared at the border i.e. point/port of entry. If any Mavericks leave on truck transports they gotta clear customs at Nogales or wherever they are permitted. And IIRC there were at least some '22 Mavericks whose port of entry was somewhere in the Gulf...Miami I think. I'd like to know how thorough customs and DEA are at clearance when whatever inspection is done at places like the north TX drop. I've seen CSX intermodal ops and they are fascinating.

 

[Whitty1]

I am not quite sure what you are asking. Once you sign the sales agreement both you and the dealer are locked into Ford's system. If the price goes before the actual purchase, Ford reimburses the dealer for any price change. Some dealers are dishonest and will not tell the customer this information and will double dip by collecting the price increase from the customer and getting reimbursed by Ford.

Read your contract or purchase agreement. I bet they wrote themselves a loophole. They may not have to honor the price and you don't have to accept a higher price. I don't know unless you read what you signed.

 

[Whitty1]

OK that helps thanks. I assumed they were cleared at the border i.e. point/port of entry. If any Mavericks leave on truck transports they gotta clear customs at Nogales or wherever they are permitted. And IIRC there were at least some '22 Mavericks whose port of entry was somewhere in the Gulf...Miami I think. I'd like to know how thorough customs and DEA are at clearance when whatever inspection is done at places like the north TX drop. I've seen CSX intermodal ops and they are fascinating.

The tariff will be paid on anything that isn't sitting on US soil when the tariff takes effect. One guy was asking about buying it in Mexico and driving it here. He still has to go through customs and it will have to be tagged and titled here to drive it on US highways. Nothing has a bigger paper trail than a motor vehicle. This isn't a bottle of booze you may be able to sneak in

 

[Seand1109]

Read your contract or purchase agreement. I bet they wrote themselves a loophole. They may not have to honor the price and you don't have to accept a higher price. I don't know unless you read what you signed.

Yup, I read that hence my concern and statement that if I get it at the price I signed for then I will have the better deal over the dealer/Ford...

 

[Whitty1]

Yup, I read that hence my concern and statement that if I get it at the price I signed for then I will have the better deal over the dealer/Ford...

If that's what it says

 

[Seand1109]

The tariff will be paid on anything that isn't sitting on US soil when the tariff takes effect. One guy was asking about buying it in Mexico and driving it here. He still has to go through customs and it will have to be tagged and titled here to drive it on US highways. Nothing has a bigger paper trail than a motor vehicle. This isn't a bottle of booze you may be able to sneak in

Only if it is processed thru the port... until it is out of the port it will have a tariff imposed is the way I understand it. Either way it would benefit Ford to get the max cars thru before, which I hope mine did.

 

[Whitty1]

Only if it is processed thru the port... until it is out of the port it will have a tariff imposed is the way I understand it. Either way it would benefit Ford to get the max cars thru before, which I hope mine did.

Mavericks and Bronco Sports are brought in on rail. I don't know where they go through customs.

 

[FreedomPenguin]

Only if it is processed thru the port... until it is out of the port it will have a tariff imposed is the way I understand it. Either way it would benefit Ford to get the max cars thru before, which I hope mine did.

I read that China Mexico Canada had all time
High shipments the last month since tariff threats.
Like maxed capacity.

 

[Deleted member 7089]

This was informative, at least to me. What a mess this is going to be...

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