Oil Change #1 questions

[Darryl]

Well from what I can tell from the posts to this thread...
The OP has left the building...
If one is unsure about an item.... Refer to the Manual, as somone has already stated.

Isn't the Hybird, Atkinson engine of a lower compression ratio? And operates for a far shorter time, during normal driving..

The oil filter that came with my Eco...

... is the same size, as the FL-910...

Jerry

Truth be told, people are going to do what they feel comfortable doing when it comes to oil changes. Some are going to do that first oil change early no matter what the manual says. Some will do every oil change early regardless of what the oil life monitor says. And others will follow the manufacturer's recommendation for owner's manual and feel very much so at ease doing so. That would be me. I may do the first oil change earlier than necessary simply because it's free. In my experience, the most important thing is using the correct oil. If it says synthetic, use synthetic. If a car says synthetic blend, use that OR full synthetic. And I'll use most brands of oil except Quaker State. Why? Because my Dad wouldn't use Quaker State. He said that Quaker State oil would sludge up and engine unless it was changed much more often than the manufacturer recommended. Was he right? I don't know. But I still won't use Quaker State in ANYTHING I own whether old or new. Old habits die hard

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[BLUEOVALRACER]

To be honest, no because if it was, Ford would recommend an early first oil change in order to be sure their engines don't fail within the 60,000 mi warranty. But most of us old heads can't force ourselves to go the full time on the first oil change because we grew up during the 3,000 mile times . Some of us even remember the 500 MI first oil change to get rid of the break-in oil. Old habits die hard. Besides, we aren't hurting anything by changing it early. If it eases our mind, then why not? But no it's not NECESSARY to perform the first oil change early , it just puts our time-seasoned minds at ease

Thanks for Your honest Opinion since You're a Mechanic at a Ford Dealership.My last i don't know how many Fords I've had the Oil Changed and Tires rotated at 5,000 miles i'll stick to it since I've never had any engine problems.

 

[Darryl]

Thanks for Your honest Opinion since You're a Mechanic at a Ford Dealership.My last i don't know how many Fords I've had the Oil Changed and Tires rotated at 5,000 miles i'll stick to it since I've never had any engine problems.

I usually change my oil at or even slightly after the recommend intervals . (Mechanic hates working on their own vehicles) , and all my vehicles have gotten 200-250 thousand miles. None was retired because of the engine. However, I wouldn't dare insist that YOU go by the manufacturer recommendation because I can almost guarantee that Murphy's law will kick in in your case. And you'll get the engine that fails shortly after the warranty. And you'll blame me.

 

[HenryFord]

Truth be told, people are going to do what they feel comfortable doing when it comes to oil changes. Some are going to do that first oil change early no matter what the manual says. Some will do every oil change early regardless of what the oil life monitor says. And others will follow the manufacturer's recommendation for owner's manual and feel very much so at ease doing so. That would be me. I may do the first oil change earlier than necessary simply because it's free. In my experience, the most important thing is using the correct oil. If it says synthetic, use synthetic. If a car says synthetic blend, use that OR full synthetic. And I'll use most brands of oil except Quaker State. Why? Because my Dad wouldn't use Quaker State. He said that Quaker State oil would sludge up and engine unless it was changed much more often than the manufacturer recommended. Was he right? I don't know. But I still won't use Quaker State in ANYTHING I own whether old or new. Old habits die hard

Your dad was right at the time. Quaker State and others were make from Pennsylvania crude. It is a high wax content crude. It made a higher viscosity oil, but it did sludge badly.

The Motor Oil Geek has a little history tour of the first well there and the whole history of it. Differences in the oil from different parts of the country, and gets into how the oils changed. The various processes used, properties of the oils and how we got to where we are today. It is a completely different animal now.

 

[Darryl]

Your dad was right at the time. Quaker State and others were make from Pennsylvania crude. It is a high wax content crude. It made a higher viscosity oil, but it did sludge badly.

The Motor Oil Geek has a little history tour of the first well there and the whole history of it. Differences in the oil from different parts of the country, and gets into how the oils changed. The various processes used, properties of the oils and how we got to where we are today. It is a completely different animal now.

I remember when a car would come in the shop with a sludged engine. And Dad would say . They must have been using "that ole Quaker state oil". And he'd usually be right. We had a couple of customers that swore by Quaker state. But they also changed their oil every 1,000 miles. Almost any oil would work well with a 1,000 mile oil change. And I FULLY believe you that Quaker state oil has probably improved and is probably as good as any other mainstream oil. But every time I attempt to buy it, I end up putting it back on the shelf and getting something else even if it's the store brand oil. Am I being irrational? Yes. Will I ever buy Quaker state oil unless it's an emergency? Probably not. Wouldn't it be funny if some of the store brands or even manufacturers brand was simply rebottled Quaker state? I'd still rationalize that they made Quaker state use a different formula for them

 

[Darryl]

I remember when a car would come in the shop with a sludged engine. And Dad would say . They must have been using "that ole Quaker state oil". And he'd usually be right. We had a couple of customers that swore by Quaker state. But they also changed their oil every 1,000 miles. Almost any oil would work well with a 1,000 mile oil change. And I FULLY believe you that Quaker state oil has probably improved and is probably as good as any other mainstream oil. But every time I attempt to buy it, I end up putting it back on the shelf and getting something else even if it's the store brand oil. Am I being irrational? Yes. Will I ever buy Quaker state oil unless it's an emergency? Probably not. Wouldn't it be funny if some of the store brands or even manufacturers brand was simply rebottled Quaker state? I'd still rationalize that they made Quaker state use a different formula for them

I think all of us have at least one thing that we're totally irrational about. And no one can change our minds no matter how much credible information they have.

 

[HenryFord]

I remember when a car would come in the shop with a sludged engine. And Dad would say . They must have been using "that ole Quaker state oil". And he'd usually be right. We had a couple of customers that swore by Quaker state. But they also changed their oil every 1,000 miles. Almost any oil would work well with a 1,000 mile oil change. And I FULLY believe you that Quaker state oil has probably improved and is probably as good as any other mainstream oil. But every time I attempt to buy it, I end up putting it back on the shelf and getting something else even if it's the store brand oil. Am I being irrational? Yes. Will I ever buy Quaker state oil unless it's an emergency? Probably not. Wouldn't it be funny if some of the store brands or even manufacturers brand was simply rebottled Quaker state? I'd still rationalize that they made Quaker state use a different formula for them

Most oils today, even the basic mineral oils(ie non-synthetics) have been hydro cracked and processed to some extent to separate off some of those compounds, and additive packages are used to be able to meet the current API spec for the oil. So even the most basic oil on the shelves today are actually decent oil if you aren't extreme duty and change it often. But they hardly resemble the oils of times gone past.

We are being told by the actual experts that the oil we have today is probably some of the best that has ever been formulated and created. The SQ spec change that just came out is a minor tweak to the current API spec and it sounds like the next iteration they are revising the NOACK volatility testing. Apparently they feel that the existing test does not actually replicate what is going on in the engines of today so they are going to go to a lower temp but run the test longer. So things are about to get even better.

Honestly I think for most casual vehicle owners they can rely on the intelligent OLM and probably be pretty safe because we know from a used oil analysis that there is still plenty of life left in the oil when it is sent in. It is only those like me that geek out on this stuff who are spending the extra time and money to test and track this stuff.

 

[CrazyCanuk]

Truth be told, people are going to do what they feel comfortable doing when it comes to oil changes. Some are going to do that first oil change early no matter what the manual says. Some will do every oil change early regardless of what the oil life monitor says. And others will follow the manufacturer's recommendation for owner's manual and feel very much so at ease doing so. That would be me. I may do the first oil change earlier than necessary simply because it's free. In my experience, the most important thing is using the correct oil. If it says synthetic, use synthetic. If a car says synthetic blend, use that OR full synthetic. And I'll use most brands of oil except Quaker State. Why? Because my Dad wouldn't use Quaker State. He said that Quaker State oil would sludge up and engine unless it was changed much more often than the manufacturer recommended. Was he right? I don't know. But I still won't use Quaker State in ANYTHING I own whether old or new. Old habits die hard

I remember back in the 60's, you could buy the same oil filter in a long or short version. The part # on the filters were the same. Didn't matter what engine you had in your car. I could buy a short or long filter for my 326 HO in a short or long version. Don't see those any more.

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