Forcing electric mode?

[DanaL]

There have been a few times that I lightly touch the gas and see hybrid, release and retouch the gas, and it goes into electric, with a decent amount of charge.

I'm in EV mode and it's charging.
I touch the gas and it goes into hybrid mode.
I release the gas and touch again, and it comes up in Electric mode with a decent amount of charge.

I can't get it to work consistently.
Am I just lucking out that the charge just pops into the acceptable range to switch to electric, or is there something I can specifically do to force it?

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[DannyUncanny]

Put the screen into EV coach and it shows you how much throttle you have available before the engine kicks in. You have to be extremely light to keep it electric.

And when the battery gets low enough the engine kicks in regardless.

 

[DanaL]

Put the screen into EV coach and it shows you how much throttle you have available before the engine kicks in. You have to be extremely light to keep it electric.

And when the battery gets low enough the engine kicks in regardless.

Thank you.
I should have been more clear. I'll see if I can edit and fix it.
I'm in EV mode and it's charging.
I touch the gas and it goes into hybrid mode.
I release the gas and touch again, and it comes up in Electric mode with a decent amount of charge.

 

[gzebrick]

Switches to engine around 33% charge level. The ev batt/motor is used for reverse ( no reverse gear in the ecvt) so ford doesn’t let it fully discharge.

The battery will supplement the gas engine even when in gas mode especially under load. Ford/toyota have done a great job balancing the ev/gas mode but if you want to maximize battery use try hitting the L button. This maximizes regen same as if you were perfect with the brake coach every time you let off the gas. It’s not one pedal driving like you find in EVs as the brake light doesn’t come on but it will get you the most recharge while on the road. With the hybrid L doesn’t effect the gear ratio or how the car drives with the gas engine… just maximizes for perfect rege

 

[DannyUncanny]

There is now ay to see the the amount of charge in the battery as far as I'm aware. The blue bar on the screen is your throttle response. Basically it's how much power you are demanding from the engine. When it goes negative, you are regenerating power and the screen reads "charging"

The empty box is how much throttle you have left before the gasoline engine kicks on to meet the power you are demanding. To keep the car in EV mode, don't let the blue bar hit the right edge of the white box.

 

[DanaL]

There is now ay to see the the amount of charge in the battery as far as I'm aware. The blue bar on the screen is your throttle response. Basically it's how much power you are demanding from the engine. When it goes negative, you are regenerating power and the screen reads "charging"

The empty box is how much throttle you have left before the gasoline engine kicks on to meet the power you are demanding. To keep the car in EV mode, don't let the blue bar hit the right edge of the white box.

Interesting...
I just assumed the size of the ev box was the amount of charge in the battery.

 

[DanaL]

Interesting...
I just assumed the size of the ev box was the amount of charge in the battery.

I will be the first to admit I know very little about how they systems work, but...
I was just in the truck and will have to respectfully disagree.
The size of the blue electric box changes. To me, that has to be an indication of how much battery is available. The second my power request exceeds that it goes to hybrid (as you said), but there are times the box is huge and times it is tiny. I can't see why else that would be except to indicate the charge.

 

[Escapologist]

It's weird though that sometimes you can make the box grow from minimum to maximum by light steady throttle pressure and keep the blue inside it.

I really find it's logic strange sometimes though. Like often I can't coax it to accelerate between 10 and 30mph, but it's fine doing 30 to 50 and feels like it's got more push. Then sometimes you come down a long slight grade, in the green all the time, and slow slightly and just give it the merest nudge of the pedal to maintain speed and the IC fires up instead of using all that juice you just put in it right now what did you do with it dumbass?

 

[DannyUncanny]

I believe that the blue bar shows how much power you are asking for using the "gas" pedal.

And while the size of the white box is affected by the charge of the battery, I believe it also include many other factors that will also limit your electric power.

I think the biggest one is probably your speed. You can get more power from an electric motor at a higher speed. So the box grows as your speed increases up to a point.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Interesting...
I just assumed the size of the ev box was the amount of charge in the battery.

It is to a small degree 2022 to 2024.
But it is not very precise.
An extra long blue bar = you have extra high charge.
A really short blue bar = you have really low charge.

But in the middle, the bar doesn't change much, if at all.

Long bar = greater than 65% charge.
Short bar = less than 35% charge.

Medium / Average bar = you are between 35% and 65% which is most of the time.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

It's weird though that sometimes you can make the box grow from minimum to maximum by light steady throttle pressure and keep the blue inside it.

I really find it's logic strange sometimes though. Like often I can't coax it to accelerate between 10 and 30mph, but it's fine doing 30 to 50 and feels like it's got more push. Then sometimes you come down a long slight grade, in the green all the time, and slow slightly and just give it the merest nudge of the pedal to maintain speed and the IC fires up instead of using all that juice you just put in it right now what did you do with it dumbass?

It makes perfect sense once you understand it is an ammeter. (Amp meter)

It moves to allow more pedal movement as speed changes because it takes more amps at lower speed than high speed.

The amps you can draw does not change as you accelerate.

But the box moves because you get more pedal latitude as speed increases.

Examples (estimates but close to give you the main idea)

0 to 5 mph full amps with 0.5 mm press

6 to 10 mph full amps with 1 mm press

10 to 20 mph full amps with 2 mm press

20 to 30 mph full amps with 3 mm press

It gets longer above 65% charge and you'll get a few more amps out of the system. It gets shorter below 35% and you'll get fewer amps out of the system.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Power = torque x speed

Power being relatively constant; torque is going down as speed increases.

 

[Cactusgrayinny]

Power = torque x speed

Power being relatively constant; torque is going down as speed increases.

Excellent discussion
I believe driving with the aid of EV coach has enabled me to get 30-50% electric miles on my trips of 40-55mph on the rolling 2 lanes around here. Using Cruise Control would not give the same results.
Your description of the relationship between Power and Torque is most interesting. Technically, HP is a measure of "Work" capability, Torque is a measure of force. It is what we actually feel directly as the throttle or whatever they call it today is opened up.

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