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[2lbgill]

The Taiwan Chip Co. is building a plant in Arizona and Ford is also building a chip plant. You guys should research.

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[Old Man]

The Taiwan Chip Co. is building a plant in Arizona and Ford is also building a chip plant. You guys should research.

Still won't have full production for a while.

 

[icegradner]

Indeed, it will take time to get the fab fully up and running, and getting staff fully trained and such.

 

[Old Man]

TSMC just announced they are delaying the Arizona facility until at least 2025 citing expensive cost and lack of skilled labor.

 

[icegradner]

TSMC just announced they are delaying the Arizona facility until at least 2025 citing expensive cost and lack of skilled labor.

Is that even news? I didn't think it was suppose to start until then anyway, or was that when it was orginally going to finish. Hard to recall, several companies other than TSMC were going to open new fabs in the US in the next few years.

 

[jsus]

Is that even news? I didn't think it was suppose to start until then anyway, or was that when it was orginally going to finish. Hard to recall, several companies other than TSMC were going to open new fabs in the US in the next few years.

TSMC Chairman Mark Liu said that construction in Arizona is hampered by a shortage of skilled workers, and that the company might have to bring in experienced technicians temporarily from Taiwan. He said this would delay the start of mass production of 4-nanometer chips in the first factory until 2025.

Previously TSMC described the 4-nanometer chip as the leading product of the first Arizona factory and said production would start in 2024. Overall, it expects to invest $40 billion in Arizona.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tsmc-d...-chip-factory-citing-worker-shortage-4a9344e5

 

[fossil]

The Arizona might have another problem.

The complexity of chip fabs, as they are called, is one reason why the US Congress last year committed more than $50 billion to boost US chip production in a bid to make the country more technologically independent.

As the US seeks to boot up more fabs, it also needs to source more of a less obvious resource: water. Take Intel’s ambitious plan to build a $20 billion mega-site outside Columbus, Ohio. The area already has three water plants that together provide 145 million gallons of drinking water each day, but officials are planning to spend heavily on a fourth to, at least in part, accommodate Intel.

Water might not sound like a conventional ingredient of electronics manufacturing, but it plays an essential role in cleaning the sheets, or wafers, of silicon that are sliced and processed into computer chips. A single fab might use millions of gallons in a single day, according to the Georgetown Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET)—about the same amount of water as a small city in a year.

https://www.wired.com/story/want-to-win-a-chip-war-youre-gonna-need-a-lot-of-water/

 

[jsus]

The Arizona might have another problem.

The complexity of chip fabs, as they are called, is one reason why the US Congress last year committed more than $50 billion to boost US chip production in a bid to make the country more technologically independent.

As the US seeks to boot up more fabs, it also needs to source more of a less obvious resource: water. Take Intel’s ambitious plan to build a $20 billion mega-site outside Columbus, Ohio. The area already has three water plants that together provide 145 million gallons of drinking water each day, but officials are planning to spend heavily on a fourth to, at least in part, accommodate Intel.

Water might not sound like a conventional ingredient of electronics manufacturing, but it plays an essential role in cleaning the sheets, or wafers, of silicon that are sliced and processed into computer chips. A single fab might use millions of gallons in a single day, according to the Georgetown Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET)—about the same amount of water as a small city in a year.

https://www.wired.com/story/want-to-win-a-chip-war-youre-gonna-need-a-lot-of-water/

https://spectrum.ieee.org/fabs-cut-back-water-use

 

[fossil]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tsmc-d...-chip-factory-citing-worker-shortage-4a9344e5

behind a pay wall, that's just cruel jsus

 

[fossil]

https://spectrum.ieee.org/fabs-cut-back-water-use

and add to the labor problem?

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