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Maybe I wasn't clear enough. We don't know for a fact if the trim levels matter other than there are feature differences. We still don't have a conclusion even though we have some consistent behavior observations. We are looking at what we can look at which may not be everything that we need...

Does the XL have heated power mirrors? Sliding back glass window? If not, these would be 2 examples.

I just realized you have an XL and I have a Lariat. Even with the years difference, they are still two completely different beasts. If you really want to deep dive into the issue, start by listing options among the different platforms. Eliminate matches...then focus on those that don't. If...

This thread is now 27 pages long so I am wondering what is the record for longest thread is, if not this. I have 2 $32,000 questions.... Does Ford monitor this board? If the answer is yes, is this topic active there and what are they doing about it?

Either that or we weren't as sophisticated, back in the day. It would have been pretty boring topic.

I've had the truck four years and am still on the original battery. As I said, it goes into deep sleep mostly when its cold out....30s or lower.

That happens to me a lot especially in cold weather, yet the battery is fine. This has been going on ever since I took delivery of the truck.

If that is a proven solution, it shouldn't take an engineer or programmer much to look at the logic of that to see what the triggering code is.

Unless you're a computer programmer and have access to the code, you'll never get a definitive answer. Even if you were the smartest programmer on earth, you'll also have to deal with mitigating situations that may affect the code. This is know as "what if" in layman's terms, "if-then-else" in...

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Putting this out there in case anyone is interested... Cars and Coffee at Eastern Hill Mall, Transit Rd. Clarence. https://www.facebook.com/buffalocarsandcoffee It fills up early and fast....

Coming on almost 4 years and 22,500 miles. Everything is original. Just waiting for the weather to improve to do the annual waxing and with NuFinish.

The problem with Car Edge is your information is shared with the dealer. As I mentioned in my reply above, when reaching out to them you should provide as much information possible in what you're looking for. For example, I started to process for a Honda CRV (the missus' car) and it didn't...

Excellent article even though I knew most of the tactics and how to deal with them. One of the most common ones around here is to make you sit and wait for them to come back because "they have to get approval to lower the price they quote you". I give them 5 minutes tops and then walk out...

Does having headlights on automatic count?

I am in the same boat as you. As long as it starts, I can live with the inconvenience of no dome lights. I always unlock from the driver's side

Just to add to the conspiracy since folks keep mentioning the trailer plug… Could the fact the trailer control sway is checked even if there is no trailer attached have anything to do with it? I keep unchecking it yet it keeps coming back.

SSM53801 isn't new. It came out in May 2025. I had it applied. As I previously mentioned, I am still getting the deep sleep messages.

I still get the deep sleep message every now and then. In fact yesterday after being parked in the driveway for a couple of days, I opened the driver's side door using the keypad to get something out of the truck. Closed it, locked it and 2 minutes later phone buzzes with the "dreaded" deep...

It depended on whether one had one built in. I believe it was towards the 70s and 80s when manufacturers started phasing them out from the mechanical ones to solid state to built in. The point I was trying to make is electrical current is relative; like a light switch, it's on or off. The...