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Good post and story. I put the part of the story that sticks out to me below, where Ford basically refers to the dealership franchise agreements. About dam#ed time. But it’s comical to say that the dealership has to obey the law, and the only thing Ford will do is cut a year’s worth of model...

Yes, as others indicated it’s for order verification. Sorry, without that your order was never officially accepted by Ford.

I had something similar in my mustang, found out it was body molding at the seams and just needed a new fastener. Doubt it’s that simple but plastic rubbing may create noise when two plastic pieces come together in the cabin. Drove me crazy,lol.

But they’re both white…so congrats on having two matching white trucks, I guess?

Couldn’t disagree more, cash for clunkers started around 2009 and has nothing to do with today’s disconnect between new and used vehicle values. The effects of cash for clunkers have long since dissipated. The current shortage and impacts to secondary/used market occurred around a year ago...

Under normal depreciation, I’d pick the XL solely because it has a lower base over the same span of time, meaning less depreciation. XLT is more desirable b/c people like middle of the road in general, so may pay additional premium in the secondary. But XLT will still have higher depreciation...

You‘re hung up on the wrong details. And I suspect you probably know that b/c your argument about supply/demand falls apart, once the price is disclosed. Someone advertising a jacked up price on Craigslist is disclosing the price and it sounds like an individual too. That doesn’t give a...

Actually, that is totally different. Apples and oranges. Those vehicles are no longer new and are truly being bought and sold in the secondary market. Free market and all that. Not a lawyer but Ford advertises these NEW vehicles at MSRP and some dealerships are trying to profit above that...

All fun and games until the state police come knocking on the dealership owners door with an arrest warrant. It is criminal in some states and I wouldn’t want to risk it but again I’m not an attorney.

Yes, correct but I’m not an attorney. The dealership has defined what it is not [MSRP in order preview] but has not defined what it is [signed purchase contract]. That makes the disclosure too vague to be enforceable. Then some dealerships are using that vagueness to add/extort $5k from your...

Again, not an attorney. I’m referring to the one on the bottom of the preview order sheet, the document that lists out a description and MSRP pricing for each option. And where we confirm those details, provide a copy of our drivers license and fill out customer name, address, email and...

Not an attorney. The so called disclosures that protect the dealerships have never really been tried in court b/c dealerships are quick to settle those out. For a while dealerships tried to force mandatory arbitration agreements until they found out that springing them last minute essentially...

Not an attorney. I’d suggest that folks start calling their State Attorney General’s office and filing complaints. Local legislators have heard from the dealership lobby but nobody takes the time to discuss the harm to consumers b/c we get so excited to get that vehicle that somehow all is...

The things they dinged it for doesn’t make sense. It drives like a truck, so they knocked it off for bumpy ride quality. The cost is low, so they knocked off for having to pay more for optional packages but those that don’t need them can save some dollars. Interior may be fair but again...

Presuming dealer has both orders, I wouldn’t see why not. At the end of the day they get to keep/resell the other.

As others have said, it may have more to do with Ford’s jacked up online calculator and/or selections than anything else. You’re always better off lining up your own financing before going through the dealership finance sausage grinder. Ford credit offers work a bit differently and you should...

Good luck, if not you should be able to pick up one in the spring, like the Bronco sport last year. I’d might even tell that to the sales manager

Most posts that I’ve seen on here have negotiated down to zero, or $500. I only saw one post in TN, where they paid $3k, although folks may be shy about admitting it. If enough people tell them to pound sand, then they will go away. Also, production will probably go up in February that and...

All of the headlines would be saying what a game changer the Santa Cruz was if Hyundai would have: - Created a more aggressive stance by having the fenders stick out a little more - Angled the cabin instead of a tear drop - Redesigned that hideous front grill from something choppy to...

Or you’re overspecializing. Markets work a lot differently on the mainland with the caveat being during normal times. Islanders will always have to bake transport costs into their purchases, large and small. That being said someone from Hawaii still purchased from Long MacArthur. I bet he...