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No, I'm going to stick by my claim. The EPA's highway test calls for 80 MPH speeds, not the 55-60 that you reference, so try getting high MPGs in a hybrid at that speed. My C-Max might get 37 MPGs at that speed, though I can drop to the speed you reference and also get low 40s. Drive your...

Thanks for that comparison! I'd researched the Ranger but I read a lot of Car and Driver, and typically agree with a lot of what they say in their reviews, and since they gave it last place in a 4-truck comparo they did a whille back, I figured I'd hold off on a truck purchase. Glad I did now...

Not sure why you quoted me there, as the majority of my post was merely pointing out that the Accord can't possibly be getting the MPGs Honda claimed, unless you're not talking to me directly here. :-D I actually have a C-Max and definitely plan to get a Mav H at some point, but fyi the Accord...

No argument here. First thing I thought when seeing the word "over-rated" was the Tesla so-called "Full Self Driving" aka "Autopilot" that people paid upwards of $10k to get. Tesla's system, they finally admitted, is only Level 2 autonomy, and is known to be extremely dangerous, to a point...

Some good, and funny, ideas on here. That cubby was the first thing I zoned in on when I recently test drove a 2.0 while waiting (forever) for a hybrid to test out. I thought the cubby was a bit of an odd size and depth, but the first thing I thought of was being able to fit a small cell phone...

I just looked up the Accord Hybrid and was surprised they advertised 48/48/48 MPG, which is impossible. Hybrid powertrains still have to deal with the same physics of wind resistance and friction as any other car, so something sounds wrong here. Remember, back in the day Ford came out and said...

LOL, if you move to Idaho just get that CA license plate changed over quick or you'll get some angry stares at the very least. Maybe even get some middle fingers, tailgating, or similar (ask me how I know). Other than moving to some states with different accents, you'll typically blend right in...

Good timing then. I'm willing to wait. I'll be moving at some point soon to AZ for a new job, so I'm in no hurry to rush into buying a new car (or a slightly used one by then) and trying to sell our old one. I try to make a rule never to buy a first-year model of any car, or at the very least...

Sounds like you're doing A/Z/D-Plan since the Hold Back might be up to 4% off invoice. X-Plan is 0.4% off invoice.

Makes sense, as Ford makes them honor it, though you left out the X-Plan (what I'll be using). I apologize if I've just been hammering on the thread with multiple posts, just wanted to ensure everyone gets good info and doesn't get screwed on pricing these pretty cool trucks.

Perfect example of whether or not doc fees in my own state of Idaho, written by the State Attorney General. If anyone would know, it's this guy: https://www.idaholegalaid.org/files/YoungAdultHandbook.pdf Granted this is in my own state, all other states can and likely will differ. Ctrl+F the...

There is a LOT of misinformation floating on the interwebz (duh). The site you linked to says this: "As per the law, the dealers are ordered by the government to charge specific documentation fees from every customer." That is BS and/or not specific enough. States don't require dealers to do...

That website does NOT list what "States" allow dealerships to charge, it's merely an average of what dealerships in those states typically charged back in 2011, or sometimes a max of what a State will allow dealerships to charge, like in CA where the State now only allows an $85 max. And again...

I'd blame it on the dealership. States do not require dealerships to charge documentation fees. But (big BUT here) some states do require dealerships in those states to charge all their customers the same amount IF they do charge customers a doc fee. I'm not sure about your state of GA, so your...

Straight from the CA DMV -- $85: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-industry-registration-procedures-manual-2/collection-and-payment-of-fees-and-penalties/dealers-document-preparation-and-electronic-filing-service-fee/

I can see why clippedwings feels as he does, though I'd offer Hanlon's razor as an explanation for what he saw. It is still very possible the dealership in his case was acting maliciously, as they know anyone buying a new, and as-yet, still limited-supply vehicle means the purchase decision is...

Not sure I understand your post. Thinking you may have misread mine. I had 2 points regarding the "cold day in hell" you quoted, both having to do with stealerships jacking up prices for everything they can. #1, I won't pay multiple 100s of dollars worth of ADM "doc fees", which is why I like...

Good info here. I had an 08 Escape Hybrid we liked, though it always kicking on the ICE above 20-25MPH always sucked. We sold it and got a 2013 C-Max Hybrid about 6 years ago and we really like it. Pretty easy to beat the EPA figures with a light throttle touch (we get 46MPGs in town, higher...

Exactly why I like using X-Plan when I buy. Those document fees are insane. As for the ADM / Limited Inventory price gouging, while any dealership can do it, IMHO you have to be truly dumb to fork out the extra cash instead of simply shopping around. Hell, you could fly from coast to coast...

I appreciate the pics shared here. I'll be in the market for the Hybrid in a few months and since dealerships don't have any on-hand to test firsthand, I'm having a hell of a time figuring out what the IP cluster info will look like. My 2013 C-Max Hybrid has some great digital screens to help...