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Yeah that's a concern. Everywhere claims PA allowed but didn't like them if you found a DMV employee who knew how to do their job. Then I found a reference to a new law from December 21 that they can now only be registered as antiques. I don't think that's a big problem for me. I need a car for...

Looking at used std cab rangers and even considering a Japanese kei mini truck. Will get a Santa Cruz if they start selling at msrp before my Mav has a build date.

So I looked a bit at the sc last week... If you want a hybrid obviously, Mav wins Price difference basically non-existent after the ford hike and Ecoboost, xlt & lux pack upgrade vs the sl or whatever the 2nd tier SC is called. So price difference is really not very noticeable once all the BS...

There a hybrid version of this poll somewhere?

Went to Hyundai today. No Santa Cruz on lot but 3 arrived and were sold last week and two more expected next week. Offered to let me make a down payment and reserve any that their website shows as en route (so they aren't fake/already sold like ford dealers are doing), BUT $6000 over msrp...

I thought I remember some report that the switchover to 23's was set to happen (aka no more 22 builds) in Aug or Sep... People are already getting build dates in May/June aren't they? And what, maybe 10-20% of the people here (Maybe, might be less) have gotten their trucks? I'm guessing 50%+ of...

Three in the wild. Including down in FL 3 weeks back, a hybrid XLT.

Both really interesting. That trucks right along the lines of what I'm looking at... Basically rwd for 4-6k or 4x4 for 6-8k. Finding them here and there... Will probably decide if that's what I want to do by late April. Will look into cost/feasibility of the electric converts in the meantime...

Ford I checked last week was EMPTY. Maybe 10 vehicles. Almost all used f150s. Cops were parking their idle cruisers there. Hyundai was about 70% full, mini about 50%, dodge and vw three different lots, all packed 100%. Ford must have pissed someone at the chip factory off.

Thanks everyone... Yeah I broke down and called again. All fakes (preorders that weren't being surrendered). Got so pissed I called dealers about Santa Cruz and they actually have trucks. Question is if they are msrp or marked up when you go to sign the paperwork like some ford dealers are...

I am thiiiiiis close to just buying a 99-14 or so ranger with <150k on it in the 5-10k range and riding it till Ford can actually get me a Lightning (25-27 I guess). That or just buying a Santa Cruz. Honestly, Santa Cruz has all the features I'm getting the lux pack for in my Mav and only winds...

So, a few months back I went on cars.com, etc, etc, etc... seeing if I could maybe find a Mav and buy it off a lot since there was no indication of when my preorder would be getting built and given how Ford seems to have mismanaged these orders (people were bragging about finding them and buying...

I got one of the emails... Sep 8 order, hybrid lux pack, bed extender and 360. First contact since my order confirmation email. Pissed me off because I saw the subject "important news about your order" or whatever and thought...."FINALLY I have a build date".:mad: The problem with Ford's...

Yep, I'm at 6 months without a build date, and if there was an alternative where I could get 40mpg, with a truck bed, with heated seats and backup camera for under $30k elsewhere, I would have bought it after three months wait.

I went into this fully expecting they were just gonna say... "You can actually BUY one". As everyone else has said, Maverick is significantly cheaper, better mileage, and actually looks like a truck. If I needed to tow 5,000 lb, I'd get a Santa Cruz (or a bigger truck... because really what...

I got 31mpg avg and 36 mpg highway in a 2014 soul... It was rated 26 and 30... That's 20% better.

Sept 8 ford confirmed the order. XLT lux bed extender hybrid Haven't heard a word since. I'm right in the middle between the summer guys who should be getting their dates soon and the fall guys who are hoping they get a 2022 and not a 2023... So might hear tomorrow or might not know for...

Still waiting on mine to get built... But. 10+ years in cheap used junkers that cost thousands in repairs a year before inevitably hitting a big repair and getting totaled/junked. Finally bought a new car in 2014. It was between a pickup, Kia soul, or wrangler (due to my height/headroom needs...