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Usually that's what happens to preproduction models, however few 1964 Mustang preproduction models managed to survive and one went to auction for an asking price of $210,00! So if you can get ahold of a preproduction Maverick, hold if for 50 years it might would a few dollars or bitcoins or deer hides, depending on what we're using in the future as currency :ROFLMAO:!
“Bitcoin or deer hides”, hahahahahaha.

Maybe by then the grade school currency of “doll hairs” will have been accepted.
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Uhhhh so you saying it's not OK to buy a hybrid... đź‘ż
 

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Shouldn’t safety ratings be out by now then? They have to put something on the window sticker right? I understand if they’re using the bronco sport ratings but right now there’s nothing on nhtsa.gov or iihs.
 

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Maybe Tim Bartz can explain what OKTB means. I take it as there is no longer an allotment to dealers on EB 2.0 models. They are okay to buy for stock now?
 

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My understanding is OKTB means they've put the production line to the test with some builds and they've been able to be completed without issue so, in theory, everything that comes off the line is ok to sell. I saw somewhere that all of the preproduction units that have been touring will be returned and destroyed because the manufacturing process for those units may not have undergone the same level of scrutiny
These units can also land on dealers showrooms. They are the property of the manufacturer and are not designated OKTB. If a vehicle is found to have a problem(say recall worth) while in transit to the dealer it will not have an OKTB designation or you can cay the OKTBG designation was halted until fixed. But in general it is an ok to the production process of the cars and they are worthy to be sold in the eyes of the manufacturer.
 
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Shouldn’t safety ratings be out by now then? They have to put something on the window sticker right? I understand if they’re using the bronco sport ratings but right now there’s nothing on nhtsa.gov or iihs.
Nope. I looked at some 2022 Frontiers and the safety rating was not on the sticker.
 

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Nope. I looked at some 2022 Frontiers and the safety rating was not on the sticker.
Agree about the Frontier for years it was not rated fully. Various Nissan reps told me that the company did not pay for current or newer models to be tested due to its dated or aged body/drivetrain. The 2022 Nissan will be fully tested as it’s frame is “heavily revised” per company statements. For Nissan it was a cost savings plan.
That certainly won’t be Fords plan as It has a hot 🥵 number here with the new Maverick!
 
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Agree about the Frontier for years it was not rated fully. Various Nissan reps told me that the company did not pay for current or newer models to be tested due to its dated or aged body/drivetrain. The 2022 Nissan will be fully tested as it is truly revamped. So perhaps for Nissan it was a cost savings plan in the past.
That certainly won’t be Fords plan as It has a hot 🥵 number here with the new Maverick!
Well it has the same frame it has had for like 17 years, they changed out the drivetrain in 2020, and this year they put on new metal skin. As of yet, no ratings.
 

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Agree about the Frontier for years it was not rated fully. Various Nissan reps told me that the company did not pay for current or newer models to be tested due to its dated or aged body/drivetrain. The 2022 Nissan will be fully tested as it is truly revamped. So perhaps for Nissan it was a cost savings plan in the past.
That certainly won’t be Fords plan as It has a hot 🥵 number here with the new Maverick!
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Hopefully it won't be a safety distater
Well it has the same frame it has had for like 17 years, they changed out the drivetrain in 2020, and this year they put on new metal skin. As of yet, no ratings.
Hmmm, didn't Boeing try the same safety dance bs with the 737MAX?
 

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Yes, the term used by Nissan “ heavily revised”..... regarding the frame as noted in my update. Bottom line, they Nissan, didn’t bother to keep the star safety rating up to par. They will need to rethink this in today’s growing and competitive market place. Enter Maverick and updated Ranger.
I still trust my years in the Boeing B-17. But that was then, and certainly not a “Max”. Well said though.....
 
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They are ahead of schedule. This is still summer, not fall!!!
I know this is a joke and I'm not trying to pick on the poster, but I always wonder how we all came to care so much about the "official" start of seasons, and even more how we arrived on astronomical seasons as the standard to follow. This is the idea that summer and winter start on the solstices, while fall and spring start on the equinoxes.

There is another equally valid standard called the meteorological seasons (made by people who care about weather instead of people who care about our orbit around the sun) that more closely aligns with most peoples intuition: fall is September 1 to end of November, winter is December 1 to end of February, spring is March 1 to end of May, and summer is June 1 to end of August.

Where I live in Southern Utah, saying summer doesn't begin until June 21 always sounds a bit crazy (temperatures usually start breaking into the 100s at the beginning of June, which coincidentally is when meteorological summer begins), and anyone claiming it starts June 21 usually starts the sentence with "well, actually...", another dubious sign.

So if you are someone who rolls your eyes a little every time some guy explains that the seasons officially starting 3 weeks later than it seems like they should, know that you are just as correct as they are. If the most important markers to you are the times of sunrise and sunset (which weirdly are often several days off anyway), then by all means stick to astronomical seasons. But if seasons are mostly about the weather, you can embrace a simpler and more intuitive definition of the seasons and know that you are just as "technically correct" about it as anyone else.
 

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I know this is a joke and I'm not trying to pick on the poster, but I always wonder how we all came to care so much about the "official" start of seasons, and even more how we arrived on astronomical seasons as the standard to follow. This is the idea that summer and winter start on the solstices, while fall and spring start on the equinoxes.

There is another equally valid standard called the meteorological seasons (made by people who care about weather instead of people who care about our orbit around the sun) that more closely aligns with most peoples intuition: fall is September 1 to end of November, winter is December 1 to end of February, spring is March 1 to end of May, and summer is June 1 to end of August.

Where I live in Southern Utah, saying summer doesn't begin until June 21 always sounds a bit crazy (temperatures usually start breaking into the 100s at the beginning of June, which coincidentally is when meteorological summer begins), and anyone claiming it starts June 21 usually starts the sentence with "well, actually...", another dubious sign.

So if you are someone who rolls your eyes a little every time some guy explains that the seasons officially starting 3 weeks later than it seems like they should, know that you are just as correct as they are. If the most important markers to you are the times of sunrise and sunset (which weirdly are often several days off anyway), then by all means stick to astronomical seasons. But if seasons are mostly about the weather, you can embrace a simpler and more intuitive definition of the seasons and know that you are just as "technically correct" about it as anyone else.
I understand what you are saying, but we have all come to understand the 'conventional wisdom' set forth as milestones, seasons are like that. Also someone's summer is also someone elses winter. What about something as simple as the start of a day. Who said it should start at midnight. Why not a more natural occurrence such as sunrise. Or how about the Biblical concept where it says the evening and the morning were the first day. Much more natural.

The Maverick's were to go on sale "FALL 2021!" That is why I made the statement. Theoretically that could be anytime between Sept. 22 to Dec. 21 and they would have met their target.
 

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I know this is a joke and I'm not trying to pick on the poster, but I always wonder how we all came to care so much about the "official" start of seasons, and even more how we arrived on astronomical seasons as the standard to follow. This is the idea that summer and winter start on the solstices, while fall and spring start on the equinoxes.

There is another equally valid standard called the meteorological seasons (made by people who care about weather instead of people who care about our orbit around the sun) that more closely aligns with most peoples intuition: fall is September 1 to end of November, winter is December 1 to end of February, spring is March 1 to end of May, and summer is June 1 to end of August.

Where I live in Southern Utah, saying summer doesn't begin until June 21 always sounds a bit crazy (temperatures usually start breaking into the 100s at the beginning of June, which coincidentally is when meteorological summer begins), and anyone claiming it starts June 21 usually starts the sentence with "well, actually...", another dubious sign.

So if you are someone who rolls your eyes a little every time some guy explains that the seasons officially starting 3 weeks later than it seems like they should, know that you are just as correct as they are. If the most important markers to you are the times of sunrise and sunset (which weirdly are often several days off anyway), then by all means stick to astronomical seasons. But if seasons are mostly about the weather, you can embrace a simpler and more intuitive definition of the seasons and know that you are just as "technically correct" about it as anyone else.
I think we can all agree that Ford said "Coming this fall" to intentionally be vague.
 
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I know this is a joke and I'm not trying to pick on the poster, but I always wonder how we all came to care so much about the "official" start of seasons, and even more how we arrived on astronomical seasons as the standard to follow. This is the idea that summer and winter start on the solstices, while fall and spring start on the equinoxes.

There is another equally valid standard called the meteorological seasons (made by people who care about weather instead of people who care about our orbit around the sun) that more closely aligns with most peoples intuition: fall is September 1 to end of November, winter is December 1 to end of February, spring is March 1 to end of May, and summer is June 1 to end of August.

Where I live in Southern Utah, saying summer doesn't begin until June 21 always sounds a bit crazy (temperatures usually start breaking into the 100s at the beginning of June, which coincidentally is when meteorological summer begins), and anyone claiming it starts June 21 usually starts the sentence with "well, actually...", another dubious sign.

So if you are someone who rolls your eyes a little every time some guy explains that the seasons officially starting 3 weeks later than it seems like they should, know that you are just as correct as they are. If the most important markers to you are the times of sunrise and sunset (which weirdly are often several days off anyway), then by all means stick to astronomical seasons. But if seasons are mostly about the weather, you can embrace a simpler and more intuitive definition of the seasons and know that you are just as "technically correct" about it as anyone else.
Because people are accusing ford of lying/bait switch/trickery and that there are no mavericks in the fall. This forces people to address with very specific language/dates.
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