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5 Star says a few days for dyno numbers.
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If the tune causes the failure, possibly. It is also dealer by dealer.
 
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Numbers I was just provided, working with a Bronco Sport 2.0...

Looks like gains of 50hp and 60tq at the wheels on 93 oct. I am going to ask 5 Star if I have permission to post the graph.
 

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Numbers I was just provided, working with a Bronco Sport 2.0...

Looks like gains of 50hp and 60tq at the wheels on 93 oct. I am going to ask 5 Star if I have permission to post the graph.
that would be pretty good if we can get the same gains on the Maverick.
 

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Numbers I was just provided, working with a Bronco Sport 2.0...

Looks like gains of 50hp and 60tq at the wheels on 93 oct. I am going to ask 5 Star if I have permission to post the graph.
Any news about getting a graph?
Also I'm extremely new to the tuning hobby, I see that hp tuners makes the hardware and 5-star makes the tune. Is there any downside to buying the hardware from 5 star?
Do they lock down the hardware they sell or would I still be able to use it the same as any hp tuner hardware I bought directly from hp tuners?
I'm assuming that other people make tunes that could be used with the same hardware.
 
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Any news about getting a graph?
Also I'm extremely new to the tuning hobby, I see that hp tuners makes the hardware and 5-star makes the tune. Is there any downside to buying the hardware from 5 star?
Do they lock down the hardware they sell or would I still be able to use it the same as any hp tuner hardware I bought directly from hp tuners?
I'm assuming that other people make tunes that could be used with the same hardware.
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I added a graph to the orig post.

5 Star uses HP Tuners RDT and SCT tuning devices to install/monitor their retail tunes.

I would direct any questions about devices to them sir.
 

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Looks like 5 Star has the 22' Mav tunes up on their site now.

https://5startuning.com/product-category/2022-maverick-2-0l-eb/

I have had a 5 Star 93 OCT tune on my 19' F-150 for well over a year now. Worth every penny spent.


New Info ********

As you can see the baseline stock 87 oct vs. 93 oct numbers of 22+hp and 21+ tq. That is just using premium vs regular fuel in a stock Mav.

Then see the 93 oct tune results of 267.5hp and 373 tq at the wheels.

That will be roughly 293hp and 410tq at the crank.

Assuming a 10% drivetrain loss at the time of the dyno runs.

Pretty darn impressive...

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Seems crazy that even on 87 gas, the TQ was way over OEM spec. I wonder what's up with that?
 

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Seems crazy that even on 87 gas, the TQ was way over OEM spec. I wonder what's up with that?
Small turbos produce more torque. The turbos on all the Ford truck model turbo engines are relatively small for torque.
 
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Small turbos produce more torque. The turbos on all the Ford truck model turbo engines are relatively small for torque.
No, smaller turbo's spool quicker, making boost quicker, but they don't make more torque (than a larger turbo).

But that is not the point. My question is why the first pull on 87 gas yielded a higher peak torque than the OEM spec, which I believe is 290. Something is fishy there... I can't believe Ford would under-rate the figure that much.
 
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No, smaller turbo's spool quicker, making boost quicker, but they don't make more torque (than a larger turbo).

But that is not the point. My question is why the first pull on 87 gas yielded a higher peak torque than the OEM spec, which I believe is 290. Something is fishy there... I can't believe Ford would under-rate the figure that much.
I'll ask...
 

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Seems crazy that even on 87 gas, the TQ was way over OEM spec. I wonder what's up with that?
Yeah actually small turbos do make more torque then hp, proven fact.
Just like a large turbo will make more hp then torque.

Who said anything about a small turbo making more torque then a large turbo In my original post?

If you want to boost the shit out of your big turbo and make power at a shitty rpm range then have at it.

Tell you what, get you a Big turbo put it on a 4 cylinder, boost it to 8 PSI, get a small turbo and boost it to 8 psi and tell me which one made more horsepower, torque And useable rpm band at 8 psi. This is the exact reason Ford uses smaller sized turbos.
 

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Yeah actually small turbos do make more torque then hp, proven fact.
Just like a large turbo will make more hp then torque.

Who said anything about a small turbo making more torque then a large turbo In my original post?

If you want to boost the shit out of your big turbo and make power at a shitty rpm range then have at it.

Tell you what, get you a Big turbo put it on a 4 cylinder, boost it to 8 PSI, get a small turbo and boost it to 8 psi and tell me which one made more horsepower, torque And useable rpm band at 8 psi. This is the exact reason Ford uses smaller sized turbos.
Um, it was you who stated: Small turbos make more torque. (period) Now you clarify, more TQ than HP. Ok, except, NO.

It's not that simple. Like all engine components, turbos also need to be sized/spec'd to the engine.

Smaller OEM turbos are more efficient, and spool quicker, building boost quicker, making peak TQ at a lower rpm, exactly what you want in a truck.

But guess what, if you want to make substantially more HP & TQ, upgrades are in order, including a larger turbo(s).
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