How California Advanced Clean Cars II rules may guarantee a Maverick PHEV very soon [WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[fordluvr44]

I'm certainly not hurting financially nor are the majority of the folks in my state. California can continue to tax and regulate themselves to death, no sweat off my brow. They need not try to force their crap on the rest of the country.

They're making a reference to how most states receive more in federal funding than they pay in. California on the other hand pays in more than it receives.

So the "your state is poor" comment is them assuming you're living in one of the states below that get more than they pay in federal dollars - AKA handouts.


https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3531/2

"Is California a “Donor State”? In 2007, the Tax Foundation published estimates, using FFY 1981-2005 data, that showed California received $0.78 in federal spending for every dollar paid in federal taxes"

So we see California is (amongst other such states) fueling the federal budget, where most states (by number) actually are net negative and take more than they give.
So while yeah people might be living great - Look at where the money comes from yes? If you're in a net negative state, you're actually being subsidized by "commiefornia" and other such states because your own state is net negative to the federal budget.

That sounds like socialism to me.

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[fordluvr44]

California has the infamous firearm roster where CA residents can only directly order a small subset of firearms available to the rest of the US.

Sounds like a similar situation to me. Well, manufacturers don't only sell/manufacture on-roster firearms. They sell everything and you can even bring them into CA (under very certain/specific circumstances*).

My point is I would assume manufacturers are still going to sell <whatever non EV, non PHEV, whatever> vehicles if the demand is there.

Private sector companies don't typically leave money on the table - If you're worried about not being able to buy a gas powered vehicle in 10-15 years, I'd say you'll probably be OK.

(I also think the law has room to change to allow nuance/exceptions, but yeah)

 

[Big Kahuna]

I agree with what the other poster said about not having any objections to electric vehicles. I would love an electric vehicle if it ticked all the boxes for me.

My problem is government trying to force changes when the technology and infrastructure is not ready. The Obamacare website was a great example of government trying to rush something through and failing terribly and this is 1000x bigger.

 

[Mav as heck]

It's like so many want to be a Negative Nancy. And everyone is so certain of what cannot be done. Nothing mentioned as problems are anywhere close to an unsolvable problems. Especially not a problem that is 25 years in the making. 25 years to adapt. And I'd add prosper.

We are not trying to solve faster than light travel. We are talking generating electricity. Which we already know how to do. Building charging stations. Which we already know how to do. And 25 years before 51% of the cars on the road are BEV.

IMHO, this reminds more of excuses than reasons. Because the truth is a lot of people simply don't want to give up their gas powered cars. I get it. The sound. The smell of exhaust. But progress moves on. BEV's are faster. BEV's are going to be less expensive to drive and maintain. And yes, BEV's pollute less. And there is a lot of GOOD STUFF in the latest bill as far as BEV manufacturing goes for America. Not Eco stuff, good paying JOB stuff. Check most auto sites. Over the next several years, the tax credit incentives are going to drive the manufacture of BEV's and batteries back to North America. Going to drive the sourcing of materials away from adversarial countries like China and Russia and to America and friendly countries. It's going to be lots of good jobs yanked away from China and Russia and put right here.

Which brings me to the last thing I'll say. It's become populist nonsense to talk about how the government only does harm. Reagan's worst flaw (and I voted for him the second time) Look around. The reason cars are safer to drive, the reason water is safer to drink, the reason factories are safer to work in is government involvement. The best outcomes have come in government/private business cooperation. Where the government funds basic research and sets some direction. America's the only country to put men on the moon. Who won WW 1 and WWII? Who built the interstate highway system?

Battery electric vehicles are here, they are better - and they have reached the critical mass of adoption. Not only is there no going back, there's no particular reason to want to go back other than people's general discomfort with change. So now it's a matter of how to best steer that. We have about a 25 year period of adoption and I'm sure that between private enterprise looking to make money and government looking to make sure basic infrastructure is around and the jobs are in this country things will be just fine.

Of course, we won't know who's right and who's wrong for 25 years. I doubt I'll be around by then.

Long story short. If electric vehicles were so great they wouldn't need to steal the tax-payer's money to fund them. The Model-T didn't need massive handouts to see widespread adoption.

The only way to thread the needle on EVs is a massive transition to nuclear combined with the invention of better battery technology than exists today. With how slow construction projects go up in the USA I'd expect that to take AT LEAST 5-10 years for the environmental studies, another 7-10 years for the litigation to play out and then another 10+ for the actual construction projects.

BEST CASE SCENARIO: In 30 years we might, MAYBE see widespread adoption of EVs.



Electric vehicles aren't impossible to implement but the same school of political/religious dogma that insist that we must adopt electric ASAP is vehemently against the sort of steps we need to take to make them a reality.

 

[GaMaverick]

Fuck California….

 

[Swenny]

I remember them bitching that the world would end if we didn't phase em out.

Funny how that works, ain't it?

Oh, I don't know. How's the flooding and droughts in your part of the world workin' out for ya?

 

[Gaucholoco]

Fuck California….

The state of California is happy that we can freely abort your seed when you ‘Fuck’ us.

 

[Timothyd]

With some 17 states likely to follow the new California Advanced Clean Cars II rules just adopted today, some big changes are coming to market. With this many states jumping on board, this will create a critical mass for manufacturers to ramp up electrified versions of current models, particularly plug-in versions – in addition to all-new electric vehicles.

The ruling states that by 2035, 100% of all new cars, trucks and SUVs sold in California (and following states) will need to be Zero Emission Vehicles (ZEV).

The ruling states that the ZEV requirement can include a mix of both 100% battery electric vehicles (BEV) and plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEV). A car company can sell up to a 20% mix of PHEV to meet the regulation so long as it gets up to 50 miles EV range.

The new rules begin phasing in starting 2025 with a requirement that 35% of all new vehicles be ZEV and that gradually grows to 100% as defined above by 2035.

How does this relate to a Ford Maverick PHEV?

1) It means that in a very short time, it will be essentially a requirement that a PHEV Ford Maverick exist if Ford wants to sell the model in California and the other 17 states long term. So look for it likely by 2024 or 2025 at the latest.

2) It also means than when a Maverick PHEV is offered it will likely need to have an EV range of at minimum 50 miles to continue on long term. This may be why we haven't seen or heard much about it if they are needing to ramp up its capabilities from the current powertrain sold in the Escape PHEV which does not offer 50 miles EV range.

3) Because a standard hybrid model (HEV) as it exists now will likely make less sense in the long term to offer along side a PHEV, the PHEV may become the only electrified version available. Obviously, like all gas powered vehicles, eventually the only Maverick powertrain available.

So rejoice, a PHEV is almost a certainty and likely to be the only choice a decade from now.

Well then, in 10 years we'll be sitting pretty. Electricity prices will go sky high and gas prices will go down. They will tax the crap out of EVs to pay for infrastructure and we'll be sipping gas on the way to the bank

 

[GaMaverick]

The state of California is happy that we can freely abort your seed when you ‘Fuck’ us.

No one is losing any sleep over California. No one fears California. California is such a bad State that your State government has to place billboards to try to convince people not to move to other States.
Weak is weak.

 

[Hybrid Nut]

With some 17 states likely to follow the new California Advanced Clean Cars II rules just adopted today, some big changes are coming to market. With this many states jumping on board, this will create a critical mass for manufacturers to ramp up electrified versions of current models, particularly plug-in versions – in addition to all-new electric vehicles.

The ruling states that by 2035, 100% of all new cars, trucks and SUVs sold in California (and following states) will need to be Zero Emission Vehicles (ZEV).

The ruling states that the ZEV requirement can include a mix of both 100% battery electric vehicles (BEV) and plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEV). A car company can sell up to a 20% mix of PHEV to meet the regulation so long as it gets up to 50 miles EV range.

The new rules begin phasing in starting 2025 with a requirement that 35% of all new vehicles be ZEV and that gradually grows to 100% as defined above by 2035.

How does this relate to a Ford Maverick PHEV?

1) It means that in a very short time, it will be essentially a requirement that a PHEV Ford Maverick exist if Ford wants to sell the model in California and the other 17 states long term. So look for it likely by 2024 or 2025 at the latest.

2) It also means than when a Maverick PHEV is offered it will likely need to have an EV range of at minimum 50 miles to continue on long term. This may be why we haven't seen or heard much about it if they are needing to ramp up its capabilities from the current powertrain sold in the Escape PHEV which does not offer 50 miles EV range.

3) Because a standard hybrid model (HEV) as it exists now will likely make less sense in the long term to offer along side a PHEV, the PHEV may become the only electrified version available. Obviously, like all gas powered vehicles, eventually the only Maverick powertrain available.

So rejoice, a PHEV is almost a certainty and likely to be the only choice a decade from now.

I would order a PHEV maverick in a second. I currently drive a Volt which is a plug in with over 60 miles range in summer. Saves me tons of money on gas driving in electric mode only to and from work everyday (34 miles round trip). I do have a hybrid Maverick on order and am anxious to get that. If it ever gets built.

 

[Timothyd]

Oh, I don't know. How's the flooding and droughts in your part of the world workin' out for ya?

No flooding or droughts here in the Midwest. Beautiful weather and I put a lot of pleasant miles on the motorcycle this summer.

 

[Tailender]

Another issue: what about the states that need to be evacuated by hurricanes or mass fires or any disaster where people need to get out of an area? It would take weeks for people to get in line somewhere to recharge their battery, if they even can make it to the station, just by the sheer number of people concentrated in one area. And if they do get home and their power is out for days or weeks now what?

 

[Dadmezz]

My gut indicates that these electric golf carts are here to stay.
Owning one, maybe not, because of the electronic complexities and lack of component durability and reliability.
See rental usage of them through your electric bill.
If the cart doesn't work, jump into another one.
Modern transit will be changing for average commuters...and young generations will love it.

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