Could Maverick be the next Pinto?

[JASmith]

Agree on this. It's hard to take "predicted reliability" seriously. What is it predicated on? The escape hybrid hadn't been around for nearly a decade before the current one. This is opinion which is always a bias.

Every April they take the surveys from their millions of subscribers and condense the data to predict what the next year will look like. So 2021 Escape predicted reliability is based on how many problems 2020 owners had.

If its the first model year, then they look at vehicles that they share the most parts on and base it on those survey results. So if say a Hyundai 2.0T had a lot of problems in one car, and its used on some new model, they will predict the new model will have similar powertrain issues.

I wouldn't take too much into what Consumer Reports has to say anymore, as they have lost their non bias take on a lot of things......

Predicted reliability is not based on their subjective opinion, but on survey scores. They show in a later issue exactly what the survey scores were by component.

And its not anti-domestic bias, as they have given Chyslers, Jeeps, Chevys, and Ford's their "top recommended checkmark sign" status and high predicted reliability when the survey results said so (this is from that same April 2021 issue):

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[oljackfrost]

Here is a well researched article in Hemmings that should put a portion of the Pinto fires to rest. By the way, none of the wagons had this issue.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.he...7/10/17/misunderstood-cars-the-ford-pinto/amp

 

[oljackfrost]

No. Pinto was all new from the ground up. Maverick is a parts bin project based off of well developed and proven platform bits.

Maverick was based on Falcon.

 

[JASmith]

Years ago Chevys got a high initial reliability rating. Today, a lot of them make the never buy list. Just food for thought.

Yup, which shows non-bias IMO. For example, the last generation Kia Soul got their highest predicted reliability for 2019. For 2020 initially they assumed it would have the same highest predicted reliability score based on last gen, but in 2021 revised it to lowest predicted reliability after survey results showed a huge amount of people having problems with the new generation, in particular the new eCVT. Guys were posting on the forum too how luckily its all covered under warranty, but that they were having transmissions failing within a year.

 

[MDRN]

Every April they take the surveys from their millions of subscribers and condense the data to predict what the next year will look like. So 2021 Escape predicted reliability is based on how many problems 2020 owners had.

If its the first model year, then they look at vehicles that they share the most parts on and base it on those survey results. So if say a Hyundai 2.0T had a lot of problems in one car, and its used on some new model, they will predict the new model will have similar powertrain issues.

Predicted reliability is not based on their subjective opinion, but on survey scores. They show in a later issue exactly what the survey scores were by component.

And its not anti-domestic bias, as they have given Chyslers, Jeeps, Chevys, and Ford's their "top recommended checkmark sign" status and high predicted reliability when the survey results said so (this is from that same April 2021 issue):

Thank you for the new info, always appreciated

 

[STARCOMMTREY1]

Yup, which shows non-bias IMO. For example, the last generation Kia Soul got their highest predicted reliability for 2019. For 2020 initially they assumed it would have the same highest predicted reliability score based on last gen, but in 2021 revised it to lowest predicted reliability after survey results showed a huge amount of people having problems with the new generation, in particular the new eCVT. Guys were posting on the forum too how luckily its all covered under warranty, but that they were having transmissions failing within a year.

Yup...and something may just be bugs that need to be worked out like the f150s 10 speed just needed a software flash. Or as unlucky as Nissans CVT failing so often everyone got a free extended warranty. The only reliability you should look for is proven which Ford normally does well on. My wife has had three vehicles since she has been with me that were not Ford. After her last round with Nissan AND Hyundai, she refuses anything without that Blue Oval.

 

[stick]

My 76 stallion pinto did not explode

 

[oljackfrost]

Yup, which shows non-bias IMO. For example, the last generation Kia Soul got their highest predicted reliability for 2019. For 2020 initially they assumed it would have the same highest predicted reliability score based on last gen, but in 2021 revised it to lowest predicted reliability after survey results showed a huge amount of people having problems with the new generation, in particular the new eCVT. Guys were posting on the forum too how luckily its all covered under warranty, but that they were having transmissions failing within a year.

Soul is not a hybrid so it is not an eCVT but a regular cone and belt or chain CVT

 

[F1PRB22GA]

Fords advertising agency, J. Walter Thompson, dropped a line from the end of a radio spot that read “Pinto leaves you with that warm feeling.”

“We’ll never go to a jury again,” said Al Stechter in Ford’s Washington office. “Not in a fire case. Juries are just too sentimental. They see those charred remains and forget the evidence. No sir, we’ll settle.”

 

[JASmith]

Soul is not a hybrid so it is not an eCVT but a regular cone and belt or chain CVT

Oops, sorry I meant IVT was what they call it to distinguish their unique technology, got it mixed up with the Ford.

 

[FirstFord]

The Pinto was designed 50 years ago. The revolutionary advance in design, modeling, and simulation tools and testing tools since then puts us in a much different space. 22 months of design today is easily worth three times 22 months in 1970.
Granted, vehicles are also far more complicated.
I think these taken together suggest that design issues are likely, but that catastrophic issues are probably not.

 

[Rkbrumbelow]

Here is a well researched article in Hemmings that should put a portion of the Pinto fires to rest. By the way, none of the wagons had this issue.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.he...7/10/17/misunderstood-cars-the-ford-pinto/amp

The other side to this is from a business ethics class reading: https://philosophia.uncg.edu/phi361...oes-business-need-ethics/case-the-ford-pinto/

 

[Xtreme Thunder]

Maverick's shortened development timeline came from a combination of different aspects. Utilizing an existing architecture that's already been in service, as well as, most arguably the most deciding factor being, removing a lot of Ford's red-tape at the management levels for approval rather than rushing the basic engineering process at specific milestones. Economies of scale, and de-contenting (limiting content features) allow for the cheaper entry level XL trim level to exist.

 

[Platinum2]

Maverick was based on Falcon.

He's referring to today's Maverick.

 

[oljackfrost]

He's referring to today's Maverick.

Whoops! I was stuck in the 70s

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