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[icegradner]

hybrids make perfect sense; all electrics would be putting all our eggs in one fragile basket--if anyone recalls when eggs came that way

Right now yes, hybrids make the most sense. That doesn't mean it will always be that way. Solar technology alone has increased power generation per panel significantly in the last 10 years alone. Is it ready for everyone to switch off connected grids today? No. Will it be in the next 10-15 years? For many places on Earth, during most of the year, most likely.

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[Chops]

Both of my Grandma’s were from the greatest generation. Do the math.

EV’s weren’t commercially viable until someone from Gen-X made that happen.

Sorry, but all modern electronic technology is based on the genius of the Silent Generation & Boomers.

Gen-X invented?? Squat??

 

[icegradner]

Sorry, but all modern electronic technology is based on the genius of the Silent Generation & Boomers.

Which was built on the genius of the generations before that. No one generation is wholly responsible for creating the technology we have today. Honestly generations hating on each other is rather unproductive to the discussion.

 

[Chops]

Which was built on the genius of the generations before that. No one generation is wholly responsible for creating the technology we have today. Honestly generations hating on each other is rather unproductive to the discussion.

C’mon - no hatred please!

The Silent Generation invented the the integrated circuit. Silent Generation invented AI. Boomers took the IC & AI to the next level.

Sure, Gen-X made the Big Bucks profiting off the earlier two generations. And most owe the own lives to the Greatest Generation.

If one is going to boost about Gen-X at the expense of previous generations - at least do some homework

 

[icegradner]

C’mon - no hatred please!

The Silent Generation invented the the integrated circuit. Silent Generation invented AI. Boomers took the IC & AI to the next level.

Sure, Gen-X made the Big Bucks profiting off the earlier two generations. And most owe the own lives to the Greatest Generation.

If one is going to boost about Gen-X at the expense of previous generations - at least do some homework

Wasn't I. Those techs you talked about were all based on the science of pre-1900s generations. You know, analog computing came first. All we have invented computer wise is just a faster way of doing math, from slide rules, to analog computing, to digital computing. Everything is built on something, there is nothing completely new under the sun. Not yesterday, not today, and not tomorrow either.

 

[Chops]

Wasn't I. Those techs you talked about were all based on the science of pre-1900s generations. You know, analog computing came first. All we have invented computer wise is just a faster way of doing math, from slide rules, to analog computing, to digital computing. Everything is built on something, there is nothing completely new under the sun. Not yesterday, not today, and not tomorrow either.

Kilby and Noyce invented the the IC. They both received Patents and they both won the Nobel Prize in Physics for the IC.

The Patent Office and the Nobel Prize committee ensure that the invention was not invented by a previous generation. They are pretty careful about that

 

[icegradner]

Kilby and Noyce invented the the IC. They both received Patents and they both won the Nobel Prize in Physics for the IC.

The Patent Office and the Nobel Prize committee ensure that the invention was not invented by a previous generation. They are pretty careful about that

You know full well that is not what I meant, don't be dumb.

 

[Chops]

You know full well that is not what I meant, don't be dumb.

Ok, ok - every Generation deserves a Medal. None are smarter & more inventive than others.

But as Gen X approaches retirement age, they better start getting inventive or face being awarded the Medal of Slackness.

Start small. Xers don’t have to invent the Internet like the Boomers did - start by fixing the battery issue in the Maverick Hybrids. There is a Patent in there somewhere I’m sure.

But leave AI alone. Xers are making it too dangerous for Humanity’s future! Sure, go to Mars blah blah & screw Earth

 

[Phimosis]

And the fact that generating the electricity to power EV’s comes from fuel…oil/gas/coal/nuke/etc

And try to build an EV and factory without an incredible amount of fuel…oil/gas/coal/nuke/etc

My house makes 21,000 kWh of solar electricity each year. That is more electricity than my house and my Tesla use each year. Average annual EV mileage is around 22,000. No oil, no gas, no coal, and no nuclear power used to make any of the electricity used at my house.

 

[Chops]

My house makes 21,000 kWh of solar electricity each year. That is more electricity than my house and my Tesla use each year. Average annual EV mileage is around 22,000. No oil, no gas, no coal, and no nuclear power used to make any of the electricity used at my house.

Did your House,Tesla, Solar Power System, etc just pop into existence with no carbon footprint? Course not - you have a humongous first world carbon footprint. Could support thousands of third world souls.

Your Virtue Signaling is mighty huge too.

 

[Phimosis]

Did your House,Tesla, Solar Power System, etc just pop into existence with no carbon footprint? Course not - you have a humongous first world carbon footprint. Could support thousands of third world souls.

Your Virtue Signaling is mighty huge too.

You obviously don’t know the math behind it. How much does a 400 watt solar panel cost? $144, here in the US, after being shipped over from China and paying the steep tariffs. How are they making them so cheap? Because they don’t use that much energy to make. Do the math. Sure, the detractors will claim that it takes 4,000 kWh of electricity make a single solar panel and that it will take years to recoup that initial investment, but hey, let’s be smart (and honest) about it: If it really took 4,000 kWh of energy from electricity running motors or methane heating foundries or diesel to ship the raw materials, then the manufacturer would have no choice but to charge $400 for the energy costs + raw materials + labor + shipping + tarriffs and solar panels would cost $600+ each.

The reality is that the energy cost, including fuel oil to run from ship from China to the US is going to be no more than $40 on a $144 retail panel. $40 is only to be 400 kWh of electricity. A single solar panel can generate that much electricity in 200 days.

The up front carbon footprint of a solar panel is low. China makes 95% of the solar panels in the world. 40% of their electricity comes from renewables. Last year China added 277 GWH of solar production to their grid. That is more than the entire grid of Germany or Brazil, but slightly less than Russia’s total generation capacity. Then they used the newly generated solar power to produce even more solar panels.

Over here, we've got guys like you saying it can’t be done and that it requires many, many more kwh of crude oil for the up front fabrication than the panel will every produce in its lifetime. Then over there, you’ve got thousands of businessmen and hundreds of thousands of workers that make 95% of the solar panels in the world and they are making billions of dollars in profit doing it, which means…… the upfront carbon footprint of solar panels is quite small, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to sell them so cheap.

 

[Red Eyes - Wide Shut]

Making an investment does not make something viable.

It takes decades of tinkering & ingenuity. EV tinkering began in earnest in the 70’s. Boomers. Boomer Steven Jobs contemplated an EV - but stuck to Computers.

Where is Earnest and could Gen X survive outside without electricity or YouTube.

 

[dochawk]

That’s some really funky revisionist math about boomers inventing the EV since the first was in late 1800’s

But none of those had the range to drive across town to tell the newspaper, so they never got credited! Hell, half were lucky to drive across the farm to the stables!

[actually, if you read the 1940s comics, Granny Duck drove an electric]

 

[chacoBazzi]

> No oil, no gas, no coal, and no nuclear power used to make any of the electricity used at my house.

chops that's impressive.

tried few years back for a solar install on our big south-facing garage roof--but the estimates of generated KW kept dropping and number of necessary panels kept going up till the thing would have overhung the roof all the way around. not really practicable

your array must be kind of enormous to kick back that much juice. have any snaps you're willing to share?

thanx
cb

 

[chacoBazzi]

woops: sorry i thought i was quoting chops but it's actually phimosis with the nice solar array--and who i hope will share some snaps . . .

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